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    I got this through an e-mail from one of my friends last night. Too often, some people assume that non-heterosexuals are antithetical to American culture, or that they cannot contribute to American culture.




    You Better Watch Out

    November 26, 2003
    By HARVEY FIERSTEIN

    According to legend, New York lore and two major Hollywood
    flicks, Macy's Santa is the real deal. And tomorrow, to the
    delight of millions of little children (not to mention the
    Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court), the Santa in New
    York's great parade will be half of a same-sex couple.

    And guess who the other half will be? Me! Harvey Fierstein,
    nice Jewish boy from Bensonhurst, dressed in holiday finery
    portraying the one and only Mrs. Claus.

    Won't America get a kick out of that? But what if Santa
    really was gay? Could there be a another Mr. Claus? Would
    those grinches who, as we speak, are fashioning legislation
    to deny marriage to gay and lesbian Americans make an
    exception for the jolly old soul? What has Santa ever done
    except bring joy and gifts to all? Just the sight of his
    face is enough to bring a smile to the Scroogiest of
    politicians. Would his gifts of love and goodwill be
    answered with exclusion and derision?

    The answer, history tells us, is "of course." Consider the
    Americans who have rained nothing but glory on our nation.
    Think about the magnificent works of Walt Whitman, James
    Baldwin and Hart Crane. They're just a handful of writers
    who shaped the American vision and yet could not achieve
    full citizenship because they were homosexual. How many
    wedding parties have walked down the aisle to the music of
    Virgil Thompson, Stephen Sondheim, Jerry Herman or Aaron
    Copland? Yes, we get to provide the music, but we are not
    allowed to get married ourselves. The next time you stand,
    hand on your heart, and sing "America the Beautiful,"
    remind yourself that we owe those towering words to
    Katharine Lee Bates, a lesbian.

    Remind yourself, too, of the Rev. Mychal F. Judge, the fire
    department chaplain who was killed on September 11. There
    was hardly a religious leader in our city who did not
    glorify his name and hold him up as someone to emulate. But
    remind them that he was a proud and openly gay man and
    those same moralists will turn their backs in denial.

    The unhappy tradition continues today. The Bush
    administration spends billions spreading freedom abroad
    while at home it devises legislation to deny equal rights
    to gays and lesbians. What is it with you people, anyway?
    Are you so insecure about the way you handle marriage that
    you're scared gay folk will show you up? Trust me, we will
    make as much of a mess out of matrimony as you do. Just
    give us a chance.

    In the end all I can say is this: If I really was Santa's
    life partner, you can believe that he would ask and I would
    tell about who has been naughty or nice on this issue.
    Still, as we approach the holiday season I'd like to
    imagine that fear and bigotry will not prevail in this
    land. Maybe this holiday season we can toss out some of the
    intolerance that nests in our hearts and make room for more
    love and acceptance.

    Of course, there will be those who say, Santa Claus lives
    near Canada and isn't even an American. To them I reply,
    neither is anyone who would deny a person full citizenship
    because of whom he or she loves. Besides, we've been
    looking at a time share on the Cape. Happy holiday and
    remember to wave to me on my float. I'll be the man in the
    big red dress.

    Harvey Fierstein won the 2003 Tony Award for his
    performance in "Hairspray."
    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

  • #2
    A Gay Santa. Just what the world needs.
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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    • #3
      Wow. Good article. I didn't know some of that, for example, the bit about America the Beautiful.
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      • #4
        I hate that we, as a culture, become obsessed with this secular sideshow and easily forget that this is a holiday to celebrate the birth of our Savior, the Son of God.

        Now bring on the gay Jesus, dammit!
        "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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        • #5
          Originally posted by SlowwHand
          A Gay Santa. Just what the world needs.
          But what's wrong with a gay Santa??



          Anyway, try to look at the main point -- that non-heterosexuals are part of American culture more than many heterosexuals realize.
          A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by SlowwHand
            A Gay Santa. Just what the world needs.
            (Actually, it's a gay Mrs. Clause.)

            I agree. It's about time.

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            • #7
              I just dont get the gay-marriage-thing.

              Equal rights and benefits under the law for 'spouses', no problem. It seems obvious to me, and the majority of americans seem to support it.

              Why the focus on 'marriage' though? Why focus on a word? Most americans seem to oppose the concept of 'gay marriage' on religious grounds. Therefore, it's unlikely that their opinions on the matter will change. Conflicts over 'gay marriage' between the gay and straight communities detracts from the more practical issues where progress could actually be made.
              We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
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              Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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              • #8
                In the spirit of the season...







                I even made you an avatar.
                Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                • #9
                  The question is whether society can give preferences to one form of "marital" status over another and not violate the equal protection clause.
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                  • #10
                    SlowwHand, get your mind out of the gutter -- I was talking about a family-oriented, g-rated Santa Clause.
                    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                    • #11
                      I bet you just happened to have that picture lying at the hard-drive, Sloww.

                      Or at least in a folder called "Hard Drive"
                      "Spirit merges with matter to sanctify the universe. Matter transcends to return to spirit. The interchangeability of matter and spirit means the starlit magic of the outermost life of our universe becomes the soul-light magic of the innermost life of our self." - Dennis Kucinich, candidate for the U. S. presidency
                      "That’s the future of the Democratic Party: providing Republicans with a number of cute (but not that bright) comfort women." - Adam Yoshida, Canada's gift to the world

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SpencerH
                        I just dont get the gay-marriage-thing.

                        Equal rights and benefits under the law for 'spouses', no problem. It seems obvious to me, and the majority of americans seem to support it.

                        Why the focus on 'marriage' though? Why focus on a word? Most americans seem to oppose the concept of 'gay marriage' on religious grounds. Therefore, it's unlikely that their opinions on the matter will change. Conflicts over 'gay marriage' between the gay and straight communities detracts from the more practical issues where progress could actually be made.
                        I was hoping this thread would stay on-topic about cultural contributions made by non-heterosexuals (of any country, I guess).

                        But about this marriage thingy -- I disagree with gays who advocate for change in definition of marriage. I argue with them that we can accomplish equality through secular civil unions, and this way, religions won't have to fear about government meddling with their sacramental celebrations.

                        On the other hand -- didn't the federal government intervene declaring that prohibition of interracial marriages was unconstitutional???
                        A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                        • #13
                          Won't America get a kick out of that? But what if Santa really was gay? Could there be a another Mr. Claus? Would those grinches who, as we speak, are fashioning legislation to deny marriage to gay and lesbian Americans make an
                          exception for the jolly old soul? What has Santa ever done except bring joy and gifts to all? Just the sight of his face is enough to bring a smile to the Scroogiest of
                          politicians. Would his gifts of love and goodwill be
                          answered with exclusion and derision?
                          Oh boo frickin' hoo. Is it entirely possible to enjoy one day out of the year without someone or other shoving their political agenda down my throat?

                          Please..get over yourself.
                          "Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us." --MLK Jr.

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                          • #14
                            Hey Jac -- did you sit on a cactus or something??
                            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                            • #15
                              Think of it the opposite way, Jac. Is it entirely possible for a homosexual to enjoy one day out of the year without having someone elses culture and morals shoved down their throat?
                              "Chegitz, still angry about the fall of the Soviet Union in 1991?
                              You provide no source. You PROVIDE NOTHING! And yet you want to destroy capitalism.. you criminal..." - Fez

                              "I was hoping for a Communist utopia that would last forever." - Imran Siddiqui

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