It's going to be WWIII

[Ned]

Saddam was also supporting and training al Qa'ida.

[Drake Tungsten]

Sorry for atrociously bad sarcasm.

Don't worry. We don't expect much from Finns.

[Az]

Originally posted by GePap
Bah to Huntington

bah yourself.

Tripledoc: that's a great study. Too bad that the facts ( the data on economic growth, in the arab world for example) show otherwise.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Azazel



bah yourself.

Tripledoc: that's a great study. Too bad that the facts ( the data on economic growth, in the arab world for example) show otherwise.

The economic growth rate in Israel isnot that hot either too.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Ned
Saddam was also supporting and training al Qa'ida.

Even Bush doesnot claim that anymore, do you know that our own government support and train al Qa'ida in the past to fight the Soviet in Afghanistan in the 1980's.

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Ned
Doesn't Islam preach, as once did the Catholic religion, that "interest" on loans was sinful?

I think so. However as far as I know the Muslim business culture functions in the following way. When a person sets up a business he is given an interest free loan. However, the loangiver sets a rate of what percentage of the surplus from the company he will get. So a 'good' businessman were a surplus is assured will get a more inexpensive loan as he does not have to hand over such a big share to his loangiver, while a 'bad' businessman will have to hand over a larger share, since a surplus perhaps is not so assured.

I could be wrong.

[CharlesBHoff]

The leader of Iraq wasnot consider by all muslum than good muslum an than follower of Islam. Did you know that Hilter was than Roman Cath, so does that mean all Roman Cath support Hilter death camp. Or Hilter murdering 12 million people in his death camp. Than the Pope didnot support Hilter at all. He oppose Hilter in quiet way. The Pope Swiss Guard which are well train Swiss solider where not capable of
fighting than full Germany Divison. When the SS was waiting for Hilter approval to go inside the Vatican in divison strenght
with heavy artillery than air support. The Pope Swiss Guard was ready to defence Vatican City with their life an they where deloy in a defencely manner. The Pope use than other
methord to protect Vatican City. The leader of Spain owe the Pope afew favor for the Pope help in the past, the leader of Spain called up Hilter than told him in no certain term that it Hilter approve of the SS action that Spain will change it stature from netural nation that allow certain forgeine material that Germany needed to reach Germany thought Spanish ports to joining the Allies against Germany. Hilter didnot give his approval.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Tripledoc


I think so. However as far as I know the Muslim business culture functions in the following way. When a person sets up a business he is given an interest free loan. However, the loangiver sets a rate of what percentage of the surplus from the company he will get. So a 'good' businessman were a surplus is assured will get a more inexpensive loan as he does not have to hand over such a big share to his loangiver, while a 'bad' businessman will have to hand over a larger share, since a surplus perhaps is not so assured.

I could be wrong.

Certain bussienes that service the public good like hostipal get total free loan with no return ecpect, in fact it can be consider paying the payment due every year by wealth Muslum to support the poor of the area, the tax is 2.5 % of your yearly income pass than certain amount, Islam doesnot force to to pay it but it you die Alia will have alot to say to you about this as it is one of the pillar of the faith.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
Seems to me a model based on Japan would also work. Question would have to be how well Afghanistan and Iraq will adapt, or whether they will adapt similarly to Japan.

Actually, scratch that. Japan emulated the ways of the West well before the second world war, after the Meiji restoration.

The only problem with letting them take charge of their own affairs is the timing. Nixon left too soon in Vietnam, and watched the entire work done before then fall away.

Nixon have to leave Vietman when he did, the war was unpopular in America, our mitilary was haveing major mortal problem and than huge drug problem with our man in Vietnam at that time, plus Watergate hearing was undermine ing Nixon at home.

[Ned]

Charles, everything you said about Nixon and Vietnam was quite true, but the the last part about Watergate was not true. Watergate was not really a big issue until mid '73, well after the peace treaty was signed.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Ned
Charles, I think you missed my point or perhaps you are not even aware of what I was talking about. Did you know that the Roman Empire persecuted Christians for nearly 300 years?

First the Roman Empire persecuted of the Christian was on and off than not than constant. Plus the Roman actical believe the early Christian was drinking human blood and eating human meat the two thing that the Roman Republic and Empire didnot tolate in any religion at all. The Christian when they became the major force in the Roman Empire where worst than the pagan, the Christian of one sect persecuted the christian's of other sect's.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Ned
Charles, everything you said about Nixon and Vietnam was quite true, but the the last part about Watergate was not true. Watergate was not really a big issue until mid '73, well after the peace treaty was signed.

Watergate gave the Sec. of State the opening he needed to get Nixon to sign the peace treaty. We where allow to go back in Vietman if the North Vietman broke the agreement with congress approval. When Ford took over the President post the Vietcong and North Vietman broke the treaty, Watergate so enrage Congress against the Execute branck that Congress didnot grant approval for sent our troop back.

[Ned]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff


Watergate gave the Sec. of State the opening he needed to get Nixon to sign the peace treaty. We where allow to go back in Vietman if the North Vietman broke the agreement with congress approval. When Ford took over the President post the Vietcong and North Vietman broke the treaty, Watergate so enrage Congress against the Execute branck that Congress didnot grant approval for sent our troop back.

Charles, Watergate did affect events after the peace treaty. However, let me assure you, it had nothing watsoever to do with events leading up to its signing in early '73. Kissinger was not trying to get a peace treaty regardless of Nixon. He was doing what Nixon wanted. Nixon's policy from the day he took office was to pull out of Vietnam and seek a diplomatic solution. He achieved that objective.

[KrazyHorse]

The peace treaty was an obvious "run away" treaty. Pulling out the US forces was a green light to NV and they knew it, along with everybody else.

[Ned]

Originally posted by KrazyHorse


The peace treaty was an obvious "run away" treaty. Pulling out the US forces was a green light to NV and they knew it, along with everybody else.

KH, The problem was whether Nixon (or his successor) would use our airforce if NV violated the treaty. We assured them we would. However, along came both Watergate and the War Powers Act, both of which tied Nixon's hands. When things really began to unravel during Fords first months in office, he was helpless do act due to the power of the Democrat Congress.

Watergate more than anything else caused Vietnam to fall.