Yet more Arab Hypocracy.

[Drogue]

No, you shouldn't.

/me glares at Whaleboy.

[Whaleboy]

Edited on request

[Drogue]

That sucks

[Whaleboy]

Defanged on demand

[Drogue]

**** **** **** **** Opps

And no, I didn't know

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Ned
Master Zen, I would only hope you would tone down your remarks on Israel and not make it appear that you lust for its destruction.

Nowhere near as much as I lust for you getting a spec of common sense

[Ned]

Hey, Master Z, we had a good discussion a few weeks ago on helping the poor in your country. If we set demagoguery aside for a few moments, we can listen to each other. That's all I ask.

[Zevico]

... Master Zen, a reply, please?

[Kuciwalker]

That is true. However Sept 11th gave a lot of leeway when it came to a way to deal with it, that many people wouldn't be taken seriously if they didn't want revenge. It would have been political suicide for a Dem to speak out against the WoT. Sure they can disagree with the details, but saying that the war on terror is bad would have lost credibility and votes. That shows that public opinion was so much for the war on terror, that I would consider it blind patriotism. Not in Bush, but in the belief that America has been wronged and needs revenge.

Wait... the fact that there was overwhelming support for something means it was blind patriotism? Isn't it possible that an answer to the problem was so obvious that everyone simply came to the same conclusion? (note: I'm not saying this is true, just pointing out the flaw in your arguement ) This seems equivalent to saying that since everyone agrees 1 + 1 = 2, it is blind support.

[PLATO]

1+1=2.

So hard for so many.

[Master Zen]

by popular demand:

Originally posted by Zevico
Master Zen: I disagree with your contention that Palestinians hate Israelis purely because of the 'occupation'. An extremely large factor in Palestinian hatred of Jews is the fact that much of it is indoctrinated into Palestinians at a young age while they attend schools and kindergartens. This is true, unfortunately, in most (I hope not all) of the Arab world. Without this factor, the suicide bombings that are occurring today simply would not happen, because people would not be able to accept the killing of oneself, let alone of innocents.

and you ever thought WHY they are being taught that? How many decades were US schoolchildren tought that "Manifest Destiny" was a good thing, and British being taught it was their god given right to impose thei rule upon the savages?

One this is a bunch of loonies doing crazy things, the other is when an entire nation supports them, and those reasons are deeper than just being "brainwashed".

Your statement that Israeli soldiers kill children or civilians in order to save their own casualties is one that would require much documented proof and examination.

Your other statement that demolishing houses encourages terrorism is doubtful, because anyone who is willing to kill himself in such a fashion would do so anyway, without such an excuse.

Give me a break, a terrorist doesn't blow himself up just because a house was demolished, its the plethora of ACTS of destruction going around in Gaza and the West Bank which fuels the hatred of these people to blow themselves up.

Furthermore, you ASSUME that a terrorist would kill himself regarless of the external provocations that might well drive him to do it, whereas should these provocations be non-existant he might as well not be so willing.

But doubt all you can, any fool can see how terrorism in and around Israel vastly increases whenever the Israeli army is engaged in major operations like that. If you don't choose to see that relationship, so be it.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Ned
Hey, Master Z, we had a good discussion a few weeks ago on helping the poor in your country. If we set demagoguery aside for a few moments, we can listen to each other. That's all I ask.

Calling people racist and anti-semitic just because their position is sympathetic to the arab cause is hardly the step towards a good discussion, and I'm not the first person in this thread you have made such boneheaded remarks to.

[Whaleboy]

@PLATO

Sky: Part of the reason for that support is because of blind patriotism, not the other way round. This isn't something agaisnt Americans, it is a failing of all of mankind. It just so happens that at this time, it is Americans, Chinese and increasingly the British that are becoming more afflicted by that, which is encouraged by leaders who are becoming too totalitarian for my taste .

[Whaleboy]

Master Zen and Ned: Peace and love people!

[Zevico]

[/quote]
and you ever thought WHY they are being taught that? How many decades were US schoolchildren tought that "Manifest Destiny" was a good thing, and British being taught it was their god given right to impose thei rule upon the savages?

One this is a bunch of loonies doing crazy things, the other is when an entire nation supports them, and those reasons are deeper than just being "brainwashed".[/quote]
Master Zen, your two examples are both out of context, because neither called upon children to look forward to killing other people (and themselves). One might argue that this is irrelevant and that the effect will be the same, yet in a child's mind-which is what matters here- killing would probably be far removed from this propagandised notion of ruling over "the savages". Therefore once the child realises what ruling over "the savages" is-that is, it may involve killing some of them if they rebel or etc--he may realise the contradiction between the two things. I would also like to remind you that the British army did not have a policy of killing all of the savages, either. (I am assuming what you say is true-I do not know of its accuracy)
As for Americans, I have no idea what Manifest Destiny. But I think that once more, the same argument I proposed in the previous paragraph applies here in an analogous manner.
AS to your last argument quoted, I think history shows differently.

[quote]Give me a break, a terrorist doesn't blow himself up just because a house was demolished, its the plethora of ACTS of destruction going around in Gaza and the West Bank which fuels the hatred of these people to blow themselves up.
(the last part of your statement I will respond to later)