Yet more Arab Hypocracy.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Ned
Master Zen, AFAIK, there were no "Palestinians" until the British mandate as Palestine was an ancient Roman province that ceased to exist upon Arab conquest. The people who lived there over the centuries were mainly Arab, with a minority of Christians and Jews. Most recently the people came under the jurisdiction of the Turks in their adminstrative district known as Syria.

At the time the British mandate came into existence, Zionism had been under way for decades. Jews had settled all throughout the mandate. No one at that time divided off certain lands and gave it to the Jews. Any land they "had" was theirs for centuries or theirs by purchase.

In 1948, the UN (not the Brits) divided the mandate between the Jews and the Arabs. The Arabs and attacked the new Israeli state and were held back by the Jews, thereby creating the modern borders that form the basis of the 1967 UN resolutions.

These are the facts. No one cheated the Arabs out of any land. Your statement to this effect is blatantly racist.

A brunch of lies. First there where people liveing in towns,villages, and afew cities in the 1600's, 1700's,1800's
and the 1900's. By your logic the Eupean Crusade's of the middle age never happen as there was no holy site to visit
in Jerm.

[Ned]

Charles, did I say there was no one living in the area prior to the 1900's? No, I said the people who were living their were mainly Arab, with some Christians and Jews. I skipped the political organizational history of the area, including the Crusades, as irrelevant because my point was that the political entity known as "Palestine" ceased to exist in the 600's when the Arabs conquered it from the Romans.

Please identify even one lie.

[DAVOUT]

Hypocracy : from Hypocrate (also sometimes spelled Hippocrate), Greek doctor, famous for the oath he invented by which the doctors commit themselves to do their best whithout guarantee for the sicks to be cured. Ordinary meaning : propensity to do well intended things, without guarantee of a satisfactory outcome.

Not to be mistaken with Hypocrisy : desire to do apparently good things with evil intent.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by Ned
Charles, did I say there was no one living in the area prior to the 1900's? No, I said the people who were living their were mainly Arab, with some Christians and Jews. I skipped the political organizational history of the area, including the Crusades, as irrelevant because my point was that the political entity known as "Palestine" ceased to exist in the 600's when the Arabs conquered it from the Romans.

Please identify even one lie.

The arab called the area they conquest Palestine. The Turkey
also call the area Palestine as part of Syria province. It like saying Long Island doesnot exist as it apart of New York State. Or Estonia didnot exist as it was apart of Russia for along time and also it was apart of the USSR. The Russia and USSR called Estonia Estonia.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
Hypocracy : from Hypocrate (also sometimes spelled Hippocrate), Greek doctor, famous for the oath he invented by which the doctors commit themselves to do their best whithout guarantee for the sicks to be cured. Ordinary meaning : propensity to do well intended things, without guarantee of a satisfactory outcome.

Not to be mistaken with Hypocrisy : desire to do apparently good things with evil intent.

Yes, I explained this awhile back. Hypocrisy comes from the famous philosopher Hypocrites, who had the most unruly of students ancient Greece had ever seen. Once, while giving them their due, he shouted, "Do know harm!", which was wildly misinterpretted. Hence, today's meaning of hypocrisy.

[Ned]

Originally posted by CharlesBHoff


The arab called the area they conquest Palestine. The Turkey
also call the area Palestine as part of Syria province. It like saying Long Island doesnot exist as it apart of New York State. Or Estonia didnot exist as it was apart of Russia for along time and also it was apart of the USSR. The Russia and USSR called Estonia Estonia.

Then, in a sense we a both right, are we not? What I meant was that Palestine ceased to exist as a political entity. You agreed with that, but observed that the people living there still called the area Palestine. I don't doubt that they did. So, in a sense, we are both right.

In a sense also, France, Spain, England parts of German, Austria, etc., etc., etc., are still part of the Roman Empire even though that political entity cease to exist millenia ago. For example, the people of France still think of themselves as citizens of Gaul - a Roman province.

[Whaleboy]

Anyone get the feeling the Oerdin doesnt like the Arabs? or the pacifists, the liberals, the North Koreans, the Communists, the Socialists, the French... or indeed anyone that isn't from the West with a pro-West standpoint... or a geologist. Anyone seeing a pattern here .

[Zevico]

Master Zen: I disagree with your contention that Palestinians hate Israelis purely because of the 'occupation'. An extremely large factor in Palestinian hatred of Jews is the fact that much of it is indoctrinated into Palestinians at a young age while they attend schools and kindergartens. This is true, unfortunately, in most (I hope not all) of the Arab world. Without this factor, the suicide bombings that are occurring today simply would not happen, because people would not be able to accept the killing of oneself, let alone of innocents.

Your statement that Israeli soldiers kill children or civilians in order to save their own casualties is one that would require much documented proof and examination.

Your other statement that demolishing houses encourages terrorism is doubtful, because anyone who is willing to kill himself in such a fashion would do so anyway, without such an excuse.

[Ned]

Zev, save your breath on Master Z or anyone who talks like he does about Israel and "the Jews." He uses racial stereotyping in his arguments like "they cheated." He does not just disagree with Israel's policies. He hates Israel and the Jews.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Whaleboy
Anyone get the feeling the Oerdin doesnt like the Arabs? or the pacifists, the liberals, the North Koreans, the Communists, the Socialists, the French... or indeed anyone that isn't from the West with a pro-West standpoint... or a geologist. Anyone seeing a pattern here .

Whaleboy, your lack of passion in your beliefs is annoying. When 9/11 occurred, Americans were shocked beyond belief. We were drawn together as one people, united in our grief and our resolve for taking the fight to the enemy, al Qaida. When the NFL games were held next, they all began with singing God Bless America. Flags waved everywhere and most burst into tears - even the men.

Unless you were here, you will never fully understand how we feel about this war on terror. To us, it is more than some simple exercise in reason. We want to kick some butt. We want to exhalt in Victory!

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Ned
Zev, save your breath on Master Z or anyone who talks like he does about Israel and "the Jews." He uses racial stereotyping in his arguments like "they cheated." He does not just disagree with Israel's policies. He hates Israel and the Jews.

Yeah, according to you I'm a rascist anti-semite Jew hater. Does that make you feel better? Good.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by DaShi


Yes, I explained this awhile back. Hypocrisy comes from the famous philosopher Hypocrites, who had the most unruly of students ancient Greece had ever seen. Once, while giving them their due, he shouted, "Do know harm!", which was wildly misinterpretted. Hence, today's meaning of hypocrisy.

he said that... in english?

[Whaleboy]

Whaleboy, your lack of passion in your beliefs is annoying. When 9/11 occurred, Americans were shocked beyond belief. We were drawn together as one people, united in our grief and our resolve for taking the fight to the enemy, al Qaida. When the NFL games were held next, they all began with singing God Bless America. Flags waved everywhere and most burst into tears - even the men.

Unless you were here, you will never fully understand how we feel about this war on terror. To us, it is more than some simple exercise in reason. We want to kick some butt. We want to exhalt in Victory!

And thus you have shown the liberal/pacifist case. Politics based on emotion are bound to fail. I'm sure you do want to exhault in victory, but men, women and children will die in the process. Thats where I get emotional. I know exactly how you feel about the war on terror. I know that means sweet FA to me and it is a sad indictment on you that it does. I look at what you said about the NFL, and I think "have things really changed since Nazi Germany?".

[Ned]

Whaleboy, if you want an analogy from WWII to compare our reaction to 9/11, it is not to NAZI Germany. It is to America's reaction to Pearl Harbor.

Your own Prime Minister, Churchill, knew that he had just won the war with NAZI Germany when America was attacked and its patriotic juices began to flow freely.

[Kuciwalker]

Your own Prime Minister, Churchill, knew that he had just won the war with NAZI Germany when America was attacked and its patriotic juices began to flow freely.

Eww. Couldn't you have used a different figure of speech?