Yet more Arab Hypocracy.

[CharlesBHoff]

Originally posted by shawnmmcc
Oerdin, you have your social dynamics a bit wrong. 70% of the Palestinian people support the suicide bombers. You could argue that they are all monsters, or you can ask how can a people be so terribly treated and feel so hopeless that this happens.

Much of the support for the suicide bombers comes from the constant "collateral" deaths of Palestinian civilians during Israeli military ops on the West Bank. The Israeli military is treating the West Bank as a war zone, when it is in fact an occupied territory. Under the rules of war you are not supposed to shoot missles into apartement buildings to conduct the assassination of suspected (usually quite strongly with sound evidence) terrorist leaders, you are supposed to go in and arrest them. Like in Northern Ireland.

The Israelis are willing to kill Palestinian non-combatants, INCLUDING CHILDREN, to spare their troops. Then they get upset and righteous over the resulting backlash. They engage in retaliation against family members of terrorists, bulldozing homes of people who often had no involvement, again in violation of the Geneva conventions . Every house they bulldoze adds to the the reservior of recruits for Hamas. They are seizing Palatinian property for the benefit of the Israeli so-called settlers, and have stolen the water from the Palestinian people. (you get to keep the land, I get your water - in a desert country, what a deal) If you don't believe me, google "Water Rights" "West Bank" and go to the non-Arab sources.

None of this excuses the terrorism! But it makes it understandable, as a people without hope lash out in the only way that has seen any success. As far as I am concerned, I wish the USA had kept largely out of it, and let other people become the target of the Moslem fanatics. Look at Northern Ireland. They have been killing each other over religion, dominance, and intolerance for close to four centuries. I expect to be hearing about deaths in the Holy Land while I listen to BBC world news in a retirement home .

You are so right. The Mayor who drop the firebomb was vote out of office by than huge landsky against him. The city was 17 million dollar in the red after all the lawsuit against the city the city is now about 2 billion dollar in the red.

[Dinner]

shawnmmcc: If they support terrorism because of the Israeli occupation then why did the Palestinians support terrorism before the 1967 war when they were occupied? It seems like a slight bit of a logical inconsistency don't you think?

[Ned]

Originally posted by paiktis22
Why antisemetic and not anti-israel?
The word antisemetic is thrown around so much I doubt it has any meaning left in it at all...

paiktis, think of what just happened in Turkey? Think of the speach made by the director of Zorba. Think of the malicious comments by Mahathir. Also, in Europe, it is the Muslim community who descrates the Jewish cemetaries and synagogues. Ditto here in the United States.

Now think about that Jewish Wall Street Journal reporter captured by al Qaida in Pakistan and whose throat was cut because he was Jewish.

There is no question, no serious question at all, that Arab and Muslim hatred extends far beyond the borders of Israel to all Jews. That is the very definitiion, is it not, of anti-Semitism.

To not recognize this, to deny this, borders on anti-Semitism itself.

[Master Zen]

Ned, have you ever read the accounts of the violence used by Israeli settlers in the west bank?

Furthermore, before accusing everyone of being anti-semitic because they don't agree with the crap you say, why don't you read a first-hand account of how many Israelis view the Palestinians, I'll suggest Thomas Friedelman's "From Beirut to Jerusalem", and then, after reading, come here with a straight face and tell me that the racism has been soley the sin of the Arab side.

[Master Zen]

Originally posted by Oerdin
shawnmmcc: If they support terrorism because of the Israeli occupation then why did the Palestinians support terrorism before the 1967 war when they were occupied? It seems like a slight bit of a logical inconsistency don't you think?

You sure know your history...

You should know quite well that the original Palestinian state was not limited to the West Bank but was a roughly even carve up between the old British protectorate of Palestine which comprised the modern territory of Israel and the West Bank. Thus, the Palestians had been cheated of land they felt was theirs since 1947, not 1967. Considering that this land had been Arab since, oh, let's see, since the 7th century, don't you think you'd be pissed if suddenly someone carved up territory which has been yours for a millenia and a half and gave it to your hated enemy? Saying that Israel deserved that land more than the Arabs is like saying Southern California deserves to be given back to Mexico because a long time ago it USED to be Mexican and now has a hispanic majority.

Now, care to show me a survey made before 1947 showing that 70% of the Palestinian population supported terrorism?

I thought not.

[TheStinger]

Are Jews who dissaprove of Israeli policy anti semitic

[East Street Trader]

I wonder why the Israelis withdrew their motion?

They could have argued against the amendments and, if the motion to amend failed, secured a vote on the unamended resolution.

I don't suppose that a pair of UN resolutions deploring the death of children - whether arab or Israeli - would bring the feud to an immediate end. But it would be neighbourly to mention to the feuders that what they are doing is offensive and wrong.

[Cruddy]

Well, given how anti-Israeli the Arab world has been since 1948, it would be more hypocritical for them to pretend they actually give a toss.

Same goes for Israel, but Israel is hardly the only country that puts "National Security" before just about any other factor.

[Skyjack666]

The nomads who "inhabited the land for thousands of years" did nothing to improve the land. Basically it was a dry, unfertile wasteland. As soon as the Jews squeeze an ounce of productivity out of it they all want it back?

I think putting Isreal there was a mistake...maybe an island somewhere would have been better.

Notice the brave men who push the homicide bombers don't themselves do the bombings, they get brainwashed kids to do it....

[Ned]

Originally posted by Master Zen
Ned, have you ever read the accounts of the violence used by Israeli settlers in the west bank?

Furthermore, before accusing everyone of being anti-semitic because they don't agree with the crap you say, why don't you read a first-hand account of how many Israelis view the Palestinians, I'll suggest Thomas Friedelman's "From Beirut to Jerusalem", and then, after reading, come here with a straight face and tell me that the racism has been soley the sin of the Arab side.

When the facts are against you, divert attention, change the subject and always smear the opponent.

[Ned]

Master Zen, AFAIK, there were no "Palestinians" until the British mandate as Palestine was an ancient Roman province that ceased to exist upon Arab conquest. The people who lived there over the centuries were mainly Arab, with a minority of Christians and Jews. Most recently the people came under the jurisdiction of the Turks in their adminstrative district known as Syria.

At the time the British mandate came into existence, Zionism had been under way for decades. Jews had settled all throughout the mandate. No one at that time divided off certain lands and gave it to the Jews. Any land they "had" was theirs for centuries or theirs by purchase.

In 1948, the UN (not the Brits) divided the mandate between the Jews and the Arabs. The Arabs and attacked the new Israeli state and were held back by the Jews, thereby creating the modern borders that form the basis of the 1967 UN resolutions.

These are the facts. No one cheated the Arabs out of any land. Your statement to this effect is blatantly racist.

[Buck Birdseed]

Helooo Revisionist Ned!

[lord of the mark]

Originally posted by Master Zen


You sure know your history...

You should know quite well that the original Palestinian state was not limited to the West Bank but was a roughly even carve up between the old British protectorate of Palestine which comprised the modern territory of Israel and the West Bank. Thus, the Palestians had been cheated of land they felt was theirs since 1947, not 1967. Considering that this land had been Arab since, oh, let's see, since the 7th century, don't you think you'd be pissed if suddenly someone carved up territory which has been yours for a millenia and a half and gave it to your hated enemy? Saying that Israel deserved that land more than the Arabs is like saying Southern California deserves to be given back to Mexico because a long time ago it USED to be Mexican and now has a hispanic majority.

Now, care to show me a survey made before 1947 showing that 70% of the Palestinian population supported terrorism?

I thought not.

In other words, you agree that the cause of Palestinian terrorism is not the occupation of the West Bank, and Gaza, but the existence of Israel. Thank you for confirming the original point.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Buck Birdseed
Helooo Revisionist Ned!

Hello, Buck. Where do you disagree?

[Nubclear]

Yet more Arab Hypocracy

The Mormons over here condemn other Christian churches are closed-minded.

Yet more Christian hypocracy.