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  • #16
    Originally posted by DanS
    Yeh, I was about to post this. Why do you think they went for something more than a squad level attack, with which they've been having some success? Is Hussein still thinking he'll get us in a Mogadishu situation?
    You would have been nice and PC about it, though, so I had to get it in first.

    I doubt Hussein has any level of operational control even in Tikrit. Neither he, nor anyone else on that side, can safely operate sufficient comms of any type to really communicate in detail and direct operations.

    There have been a lot of actions up to full platoon strength, if you count mortarmen and elements not directly in the ambush, but covering the withdrawal of their ambush elements.

    Going something close to company strength like this could be nothing more than an ad hoc situation of two or three groups trying to operate in unison (and perhaps coordinating poorly and thus helping get themselves hosed). It could be they've just gotten cocky after the successes they had this month, or it could be some sort of attempt at a new strategy of escalation. In any event, we should be able to get good intel info out of this, and it certainly sends a message back.
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    • #17
      And when US soldiers kill Iraqis, you lose.
      Hmmm... This seems like a pretty clean operation among all of the possibilites. That's why I'm surprised the resistance gave the US this opportunity.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Q Cubed
        what is epw ?
        Enemy prisoner of war.
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        • #19
          What is war?
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          • #20
            Kill them, grill them, eat their charred remains.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by DanS


              Hmmm... This seems like a pretty clean operation among all of the possibilites.
              So it's limited damage. Great.
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              • #22
                You would have been nice and PC about it, though, so I had to get it in first.


                In any event, we should be able to get good intel info out of this, and it certainly sends a message back.
                I also think this was very useful.
                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Dr Strangelove
                  A few days ago there was a big stash of missles seized. Have there been any further attacks on aircraft since then?
                  Not that I know of, but even if you discount smuggling new ones in, there's probably 50,000 of the damned things still in country. Any stoppage of aircraft casualties is much more likely due to changes in flight procedures and airfield security rather than a reduction of the Iraqi's theoretical capability of anti-air attacks.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Whaleboy
                    What is war?
                    People shooting at your ass on at least a semi-organized basis.
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                    • #25
                      So it's limited damage. Great.
                      Limited damage of the type we want to limit. But I don't know how you could say that the US doesn't benefit from this reminder of how lopsided the war was and a demonstration that we still have our discipline at a high level.
                      I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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                      • #26
                        Roland: Perhaps you can explain to me the downside of killing insurgents? Because I don't see it myself.
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                        • #27
                          People shooting at your ass on at least a semi-organized basis
                          memories
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by HershOstropoler


                            Nope. The political situation is that when iraqis kill US soldiers, you lose. And when US soldiers kill Iraqis, you lose. The only positive effect of that military "success" may be to get your balls swelling.
                            You're not usually so simplistic. Outside Iraq, nobody gives a real rat's ass, in comparison to other political issues vis-a-vis the US. The rhetoric and grumbling might be there, but that's the end of it - the world still operates as Macchiavelli described.

                            Within Iraq, the situation is far from monolithic, even within specific ethnoreligious groups - why do you think Hussein had to purge a good portion of his IRG units and move all of them further out of Baghdad in the mid 90's?

                            A lot of people there would like to see the US have it's collective asses handed back to it, but they also want to be positioned to follow their own agenda successfully if the power vacuum can be created. The increase of Iraqi on Iraqi attacks also reflects a lack of "solidarity" in the "Iraqi people."
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                            • #29
                              Death sucks.
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                              • #30
                                Roland is like the insurgents, desparate for attention against an overwhelming adversary that is on the inevitable road to victory.
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