this must be the most stupid town in the world if not even in the USA

[JohnT]

I just don't understand how people can spend their lives worrying about Coca-Cola and US Steel when governments, Right and Left, have shown a far superior ability to control, destroy, and kill than even the most rapacious and greedy corporation. Even more bizarre is how these people turn to government, despite its thousand(s) year history of brutality, to "save" them from the corporations.

[JohnT]

Before they came to power. The Nazis were bankrolled by corporations.

By some, but by no means all. To imply that corporations wholeheartedly and completely supported Nazism however, is a fanciful and wishful distrotion of the facts.

[Spiffor]

Democratic governments, whose mission is to care of the population rather than of the leaders, have millenia of history?

That's news to me.

If you want to confront the States St. Leo and every other liberal are talking about, with the Corporation, you have to pick democratic welfare States. Your millenia of history have strangely shrunk to a few decades...

[Ramo]

I didn't say all.

[JohnT]

Originally posted by Spiffor
Democratic governments, whose mission is to care of the population rather than of the leaders, have millenia of history?

That's news to me.

If you want to confront the States St. Leo and every other liberal are talking about, with the Corporation, you have to pick democratic welfare States. Your millenia of history have strangely shrunk to a few decades...

Again you're putting words in my mouth. Is this common with you, Spiffor? A careful re-reading of my posts in this thread will reveal to you that never once did I mention the phrase "democratic."

However, if you wish to change the terms of the debate, please, go right ahead. It's 2:00am here and I'm hitting the sack.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by JohnT

Before they came to power. The Nazis were bankrolled by corporations.

By some, but by no means all. To imply that corporations wholeheartedly and completely supported Nazism however, is a fanciful and wishful distrotion of the facts.

It is true though that corporations when given a choice between National Socialism and a communist take over choice National Socialism as the Nazis weren't going to steal their property. If you had to choice between losing everything and possibly losing something or possibly gaining something which would you choice.

[Ramo]

What communist takeover do you refer to? And you mean, if you had a choice between getting rid of those damned unionists in your corporation and not, which would you choose?

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by JohnT
Again you're putting words in my mouth. Is this common with you, Spiffor? A careful re-reading of my posts in this thread will reveal to you that never once did I mention the phrase "democratic."

You're saying St. Leo permanently returns to Mom State despite the millenia of massacres done by the State. I believe St Leo's Mom State is not the murderous entity of the past, but the caring institutions of recent decades. He mentioned Bill of Rights, Constitutions, etc. himself. I don't remeber gaving seen such decorum in Ghegis Khan's empire.

You're the one who's making a moot point by jumping to the "state = potential despotism" trigger when St Leo so obviously speaks of modern democratic States.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Taxes aren't my money in the first place.

This may be the most ridiculous statement I've ever seen on Apolyton. Congrats KH . By definition taxes are money that is taken from you and given to the government. It doesn't matter if it is necessary or not, it is still taken from you.

[Drake Tungsten]

One of the advantages of living here in Utah is that it is largely seperated from American maddness

Yeah, ya'll have your own, more concentrated form of madness.

[Nubclear]

An orderly madness as opposed to generally chaotic sprawling-everywhere madness

[Enigma_Nova]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Giving everyone guns is the best thing that could happen to the human species. The reason is all of the morons will shoot themselves and there will be fewer idiots in the gene pool.

Despite the fact that Suicide is prevalent amongst college students and teenagers more than other demographics...

Sounds good. But I wonder how you'd stop the Enigma_Novas of the world from killing everybody else off...

[JohnT]

You're the one who's making a moot point by jumping to the "state = potential despotism" trigger when St Leo so obviously speaks of modern democratic States.

OK, then can you prove that, say, the corporations of the US have killed more people than the US government? (waits for Che...)

When it comes to oppression, the modern "democratic" states are far less so than, say, Louis XIV, true. But to argue that they don't have blood on their hands is specious, and even the weakest of States (democratic or not) have powers far above and beyond even the worlds most powerful corporation - or else stuff like having a country with no true army to speak of, ala Saudi Arabia in the mid 1960's, nationalize their oil fields could never happen - Pinkertons or not.

[Grandpa Troll]

Look I am guilty as the next, but lets kinda head back toward the thread topic..ugh..which is..

Peace

Grandpa-"Steppin-In-4-A-Moderator"-Troll

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Out of curiosity, don't the Swiss have compulsory gun ownership?

As far as I know they have a militia system for their armed forces, so the guys have the assault rifles, pistols etc. they use there at home. This of course goes only for small arms. AFAIK they don´t park their tanks in the garden