Oh my God, everything has gone wrong!

[Caligastia]

I've been through a wrongful dismissal before, but in NZ. I imagine the laws are fairly similar in England though. Definitely seek legal advice PH - I got a large settlement when I went through this.

[Provost Harrison]

But what do I do now? There is no future. Every time I think there is it gets pulled away abruptly. I just don't see the point. I can never be one of those normal little humans.

[Provost Harrison]

...and then if you win, will employers be scared of employing you? This is a really, really stupid world we live in.

[Japher]

When I started learning bassoon I had a great instructor. I advanced rather quickly, as is the norm for me and wind instruments, yet like most kids and many musicians I was also very picky and tempormental about my music. I practiced for perfection and he taught for good enough. We never fought, but one day I showed up for my lesson and he told me he didn't want to teach me any more... and he left it at that, slammed the door in my face.

I had no idea why this happened.

Anyway, a few weeks later I auditioned for a youth orchestra, got in and was offered lessons from the 1st chair of the normal symphony orchestra. I readily accepted, and found him to be not only a much better musician, but a much better instructor who strived for the same level of perfection as I did.

Moral of the story? I don't really have one, just thought since you were out a job you'd have time to waste

Honestly, this totally sucks. Clear your name.

Many things happen for a reason, it would just be nice to get one!

[Verres]

Of course there's a future - its just going to be a little different from what you expected. As for not being able to be one of those normal little humans.....i would imagine you are in good company here

[Provost Harrison]

Come the revolution, I will be there with a list, a lamp post and a noose, believe me!

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Provost Harrison
But what do I do now? There is no future. Every time I think there is it gets pulled away abruptly. I just don't see the point. I can never be one of those normal little humans.

There is a future. Have you spoken to a lawyer yet? Even if the laws are not in your favor (as EST seems to indicate) a lawyer might be able to scare them into paying a settlement. When this happened to me in NZ the lawyer was willing to help me on a contingency basis - i.e. he took a percentage of my settlement as payment, but if he got me nothing I owed him nothing.

Go to a citizens advice bureau (or something like that) and you should be able to get free legal advice.

...and then if you win, will employers be scared of employing you? This is a really, really stupid world we live in.

Don't worry about that, your name will be cleared.

Chin up mate, it's not the end of the world. I got through it, and you will too.

[Caligastia]

Originally posted by Japher
When I started learning bassoon I had a great instructor. I advanced rather quickly, as is the norm for me and wind instruments, yet like most kids and many musicians I was also very picky and tempormental about my music. I practiced for perfection and he taught for good enough. We never fought, but one day I showed up for my lesson and he told me he didn't want to teach me any more... and he left it at that, slammed the door in my face.

I had no idea why this happened.

Anyway, a few weeks later I auditioned for a youth orchestra, got in and was offered lessons from the 1st chair of the normal symphony orchestra. I readily accepted, and found him to be not only a much better musician, but a much better instructor who strived for the same level of perfection as I did.

Moral of the story? I don't really have one, just thought since you were out a job you'd have time to waste

[Provost Harrison]

Actually Japher (sorry I never noticed that quote), that quote is actually very poignant in this situation. You see, I have been rejected for my 'perfectionism'...seems contradictory doesn't it, but poor mortals feel threatened by it

[East Street Trader]

Employers do not like unfair dismissal claims. It is pretty well routine for the complainant to allege that the dismissal was grounded on sex discrimination or race discrimination because, apart from removing the 12 months continuous employment limitation, it also removes a financial limit on the compensation which can be awarded.

Whether the employer is going to win or not he will certainly incur substantial legal costs. Plus the demands of the defence (providing lawyers with instructions, attending the hearing) chew up unconscionable amounts of managerial time. And it feels like washing dirty linen in public.

Whether it is wise to get into such things, though, is another matter. Whether it results in some cash or not.

If you find a new job and settle well into it this will start to seem just an episode.

If, on the other hand, you brood on it and make it the focus of a lot of activity that may distract you from the task of finding a new job and deepen rather than dissipate the bitterness which you understandable feel at present.

There would be no harm at all in going to see a solicitor. Ask whether they will take the case on a no win no fee basis. But meanwhile put just as much effort into job hunting.

And put the most energy into having some fun.

[chequita guevara]

Tell them you were fired because you rejected the pass your trainer made at you.

[SpencerH]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Tell them you were fired because you rejected the pass your trainer made at you.

It is England after all.

One thing occurs to me, did your job entail dealing with union workers (i.e. getting samples, halting production if something was 'not right', shipping) ?

[Lefty Scaevola]

Edit:
Well replied below, and retracted with apology here.

[rah]

I have had good workers that just weren't compatible with the group that I've let go. That's what probationary periods are for. It does sound like this is a bit different but you never know.
Good luck. And I agree with Oerdin, if the period of time has been that short, just leave it off you resume. Unless the company goes out of it's way to blackball you, it shouldn't be a problem.

[Provost Harrison]

Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola
You had/have little success with romatic relationships. You left college because of you thought you were being screwed over by your professors & administration. Did not you get bumped out of a previous job? Many of your friends only really like you when they are drunk. You are now removed from a job being accused of being a social misfit.
It all bring to mind Despair Inc's poster for"

"DISFUNCTION:
The only consistant feature of your dissatisfying relationships is YOU."



Perhaps some introspection and 'heal thyself' is in order.

Interesting, but the problem on my half has been self-loathing rather than loathing from others. Now you seem to have failed to grasp the situation - I have had an unfortunate sequence of events that I cannot attribute to anything other than pure misfortune.

Now the Ph.D. My problem there was facilities and supervision. My original supervisor left early in my Ph.D and I never got the supervision I needed, and thus, I kind of got lost and never received any facilities. You are forgetting that I resigned from my Ph.D. Between me and academic medicine, there is no bad atmosphere. I still assist if they are having a trial (as a volunteer) and so on, and have a friendly talk and laugh with everyone when I am there. There is no animosity between me and that department, it just didn't work out. Also bear in mind that they have a track record here - another Ph.D student departed shortly after me, and I know for a fact that another one was looking for another job and had registered grievances with the postgraduate research institute. So again, you are reading things into a situation which just weren't there.

Ah, now my following job at Reckitt Benckiser. I wasn't forced out, I departed that job to leave for this one. I was underpaid and overworked, but apart from that, I was respected and well liked. The complaints I had about the company were the same as anyone else has had. And the fact that after a year I was never offered a permanent position because it was financially more convenient for them to keep me ongoing.

Oddly enough, I don't drink a great deal, so very few of my encounters with friends are when any party is drunk. A couple of pints are quite nice to relax, but believe me, I don't need it.

Now this present situation is completely different. Up to the 48 hours before my dismissal they were in complete praise of my ability - just some slight concern about me not fitting in, but it is hardly like I am going to have strong interpersonal relationships with everyone in the course of a month is it? Then in the period of 48 hours, I was verbally and emotionally abused and degraded, then reassured that there is no threat to my position some 24 hours before I was dismissed. Now with all due respect Lefty, you don't know what the f**k you are talking about, and keep on with this kind of attack and you will find the precious little respect you have gained evaporating. There are people here who know me and my person. But again, you are probably another example of a 'cog in the system' which have caused me so many problems and treat me as a complete outsider.

And besides, I have another interview on the 10th December and this job is in Manchester so I will be able to get out of this area if it works out