Zorba can kiss my ass.

[KrazyHorse]

By the way, NYE, remember how we were talking about COncordia etc? Jewws still outnumber Muslims in Quebec by a fairly significant amount, according to 2001 census...

[notyoueither]

I didn't see the program in question, so I miss the importance of the demographics. All I gather is that CTV aired a program about Jewish-Muslim relations at Concordia.

I agree it is unfortunate that so much emphasis is placed on Israel being a Jewish state. I wonder how Muslim Israelis who are happy to be Israelis feel about that.

[KrazyHorse]

That thing ruined my friend (who I was talking about; he's the guy who was/is head of Hillel). In case you didn't know, Cocnordia is the less-serious school (i.e people don't care as much about their education there). Therefore they have the time to really give a damn about student politics It was all a tempest in a teapot...

[Az]

Azazel, your country has really sucked abourt what it's done to propmaote peace for 35 years. The took over occupieed territiories in 1967, and then sat on them for 25 years without doing ****. Then they decided they want peace ten years ago. That's sort of ****ed up.

Cheers, Krazyhorse.

about the quote: it's not correct, and we both know it.

[KrazyHorse]

No, we don't. Explain settlements. Those are ****ed up. Sends the exact wrong message. Pisses everybody off.

I know not everybody there is of same view on things, but a well-managed government doesn't let private individuals dictate foreign policy.

[Az]

Well, we did offer to give them back, on numerous occasions.

[KrazyHorse]

It shouldn't even be a negotiating point. If you don't want to keep the land, then force the settlers off now. You're steadily creating a worse and worse situation by not doing it. In another 30 years they'll be shooting at the IDF too, if Israel isn't hardassed enough on the Pals...

[Az]

nah. The vast majority of the settlers are regular people. The ones that are crazy, would be just as crazy in Israel proper. it's not madness that's caused by geography.

[atawa]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
So you see the possibility of touching off an arms race in Southeast Asia as no big deal? And presumably see small scale actions as a threat to world security? Do Libya and Cuba scare the hell out of Europe then?

North Korea depends on China for their existance, apart from showing off their muscles they wont do anything unless its aproved by the Chinese.

Reading the reports on the latest APEC summit in Bangkok I doubt there will be an armsrace in SE-Asia anytime soon, the major players in the region are esthablishing even closer political and military ties so why would they start an armsrace now?

Lybia and Cuba dont scare Europe as they are not realy a threat.

[VetLegion]

What Israel is doing can be compared to former Yugoslavia?

In former Yugoslavia, upon ceasing the hostilities all refugees have to be returned. This was one of the requirements for peace agreement.

Also international community is excersizing huge pressure on all sides to comply with right of return and to stop obstructing it. Sanctions are threatened, etc.

Compare to Israel.

[VetLegion]

And to clarify, I was always a supporter of RoR here. That way, lunatic policies of ethnic cleansers would be nullified.

I also thought it was international norm. But then I learn Israel has absolutely no intention of letting palestinian refugees back.

So I conclude, for the millionth time: no, there is no international standard on this, it is simply - might makes right.

Sad, IMO.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by axi
As for what he said about Israel...

I don't get it, what is to respect and admire in the state of Israel? It's a terrorist state. a state that opresses a whole nation and it's arguably the root of all the troubles in the Middle East. Barring the US, it is now the most aggressive state in the world, specially if we consider it's size. It is a state run by fascistoids and if the Israeli people are coerced by the blind violence of the bombings into supporting them, then too bad for them, since they have failed miserably in seeing what the only viable option for peace in Palestine is.

Now, all this has nothing to do with the Jews in general. Many Jews do not support the state of Israel and quite a few of them believe that it should not have been created. The state of Israel does not represent all Jews, albeit having proclaimed itself their protector and vanguard. Saying that everyone who accuses Israel is an antisemite is something like saying that condemning the crimes of Saddam Hussein makes you an arab-hater.

So when Zorba starts to talk about the attributes of Jews when he claims he is really talking about Israel then he does the same thing. Your post is all the evidence necessary to show the average level of anti-semitism in Greece is quite high. How else to explain your take on the situation in the Middle East?

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by Sikander Your post is all the evidence necessary to show the average level of anti-semitism in Greece is quite high. How else to explain your take on the situation in the Middle East?

His post alone proves nothing about the general level of anti-semitism in Greece.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by atawa


True, but they dont have the capability to be a threat for world peace, Israel has.

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[Sikander]

Originally posted by BeBro

His post alone proves nothing about the general level of anti-semitism in Greece.

I consider Axi to be the very embodiment of Greece.