Zorba can kiss my ass.

[HershOstropoler]

Originally posted by Sikander

Your post is all the evidence necessary to show the average level of anti-semitism in Greece is quite high. How else to explain your take on the situation in the Middle East?

Ahhhh ANTIGREEKIST PROPAGANDA. ANTIGRAECIST!!! ANTIHELLENIST!!!! Eeek! Gtro9ß12?!"()=ok- blb.

[BeBMan]

"I consider Axi to be the very embodiment of Greece. "


I´d say that´s too much honor

[axi]

I consider Axi to be the very embodiment of Greece.

Thank you very much, I don't deserve this.

But please, do tell me which of the sentences quoted above tells you I'm antisemetic. I described what's my problem with Israel and you just use an apostrophe to condemn it all in a bundle. Forget for a moment that this is about Israel and apply this case in some other part of the globe. Wouldn't the international community have intervened long ago? Wouldn't you judge that such prolonged aggression cannot be justified as "gaining strategic territory through defensive wars"? Wouldn't a state that does such things as Israel be accused for war crimes? The Serbs f.e. did many times less harm to the Kosovars and now their former chief of state is prosecuted in the Hague.

I'm a communist. I believe in the self-disposition of the peoples of the world and in their peaceful cooperation. I have no reason to hate Jews. I have tons of reasons to criticise Israel. How about you? What are your motives? What are your beliefs?

[atawa]

Originally posted by Sikander


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Why do you think they dont?

[The Pioneer]

Originally posted by Azazel
The Pioneer:



about "the jews"? no. Just as it would be wrong to say anything about "the arabs".

"The arabs are the source of all evil in the world". Do you thing there is anything wrong with that statement?

About Israel? Israel suffers such verbal abuse everyday. So does the USA, Russia, France, and who not. I don't mind that.

No, I do not think so. One is entitled to his opinions and views as long as they are expressed in a civilized and non aggresive manner. However disgusting or despicable it may seem to another person.

So long....

[The Pioneer]

Originally posted by Straybow

Originally posted by The Pioneer
It's what I said earlier, we have gotten to the point where you cannot say anything about the americans or the jews. It is a pity...

It's always been true that you can't call a nation or people "the root of [all] evil" and expect it to go without comment.
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Why not? If you make a discussion and then the media may have a frenzy which in turn may make someone realy mad and blow something up which will the other side crazy; now the politicians step and start accusing each other then intervention by force is deemed necessary and then we go to war and blast each other to pieces....

IInstead you can dismiss it and think that the person who said that is probably a little off.

Like we do about Bush and his Axis of Evil statements....

So long....

[The Pioneer]

Originally posted by Sikander


So when Zorba starts to talk about the attributes of Jews when he claims he is really talking about Israel then he does the same thing. Your post is all the evidence necessary to show the average level of anti-semitism in Greece is quite high. How else to explain your take on the situation in the Middle East?

One person cannot show the level of anti-semitidm in Greece!

How about Ford, oh yes THE Henry Ford, by being buddies with what's his name.... ....Adolf and publishing anti-jewish periodicals. Oooops he is American, so all Americans are anti-jewish...sorry but wrong.

So long...

[Edan]

Originally posted by GePap
While I don;t doubt there is anti-semitism in Europe, it does not seem to be among all Europeans the real old anti-semitism..has anyone actually advocated laws against the Jews in Europe?

Several European countries have banned kosher food production, and a couple are additionally considering banning the importation of such food.

[Tripledoc]

Originally posted by Edan


Several European countries have banned kosher food production, and a couple are additionally considering banning the importation of such food.

Never heard of that.
Do you mean how the animals are slaughtered?
Are you sure they have not also banned halal (the Muslim method of slaughter) then?

[Edan]

Originally posted by Tripledoc


Never heard of that.
Do you mean how the animals are slaughtered?

Yes.

Are you sure they have not also banned halal (the Muslim method of slaughter) then?

I'm not sure, but I believe the bannings apply to both.

[Bereta_Eder]

Well I know that sometimes foods and preparations of foods can be banned for health reasons, when they're deemed not to be hygienically sound for the population.

Don't know about kosher though.

[Az]

They're banned because they're not the most human way to put an animal down.

[HershOstropoler]

Originally posted by Edan


Several European countries have banned kosher food production, and a couple are additionally considering banning the importation of such food.

Banning kosher food production. Of course. Well, some countries have banned the practice of letting an animal bleed to death without anaesthetization. And this of course also affects the respective muslim practice. But it's of course anti-jewish. And the antisemitism lobby is happy, and enough dumb people believe the propaganda lie.

Now which countries are those? I don't know, just that

a) such a ban is discussed in Switzerland

b) our Constitutional Court has ruled such a law unconstitutional as it violates the freedom of religion. But as the plaintiff in the case was a muslim, I guess we have further evidence of austrian antisemitism.

c) the german provision, § 4a Tierschutzgesetz, has an explicit exception for religious commands.

[Straybow]

No RoR!

Originally posted by VetLegion

What Israel is doing can be compared to former Yugoslavia?

In former Yugoslavia, upon ceasing the hostilities all refugees have to be returned. This was one of the requirements for peace agreement.

Also international community is excersizing huge pressure on all sides to comply with right of return and to stop obstructing it. Sanctions are threatened, etc.

Compare to Israel.

You should have continued quoting from my point, or maybe you didn't read past the point where your "red flag" went up. I reiterate:

• Majority of Palestinian arabs refuse to share power within a Democratic state established with the blessings of the UN [I add: including agreement of surrounding Arab nations].
• Israel [a sovereign state] deports said Palestinian arabs into the territories set aside for them by the same UN resolutions.
• Surrounding Arab nations attack Israel in '48 and '56.
• Deported Palestinians resort to terrorism to continue their anti-Zionist struggle after losing two wars.

After Yugoslavia no specific states were established for refugees of specific cultures/ethnicities. Refugees were not formally deported by legitimate governments. Instead they were fleeing for their lives from ethnic terrorists acting with covert support from ethnic government factions or neighboring ethnic governments.

There is one parallel: terrorists acting with covert support of ethnic government factions or neighboring ethnic governments. In both regions terrorists and government officials who support them should be hunted down and prosecuted.

And to clarify, I was always a supporter of RoR here. That way, lunatic policies of ethnic cleansers would be nullified.

Except that the lunatics and their prejudices return also. The fundamental conflict remains unresolved, awaiting the next opportunity to boil over.

I also thought it was international norm. But then I learn Israel has absolutely no intention of letting palestinian refugees back.

So I conclude, for the millionth time: no, there is no international standard on this, it is simply - might makes right.

No, international law (the boundaries established in 1948, at the very least) makes right. Such laws, treaties, and resolutions do not reflect any international "standard," they are negotiated case by case.

And, by the way, half the reason why Israel was created was to prevent the flood of Jewish refugees from returning to Germany, Poland, etc. Hardly a precedent for "right of return," eh?

[Straybow]

Originally posted by The Pioneer

It's always been true that you can't call a nation or people "the root of [all] evil" and expect it to go without comment.

Why not? If you make a discussion and then the media may have a frenzy which in turn may make someone realy mad and blow something up [blah, blah, blah]

Instead you can dismiss it and think that the person who said that is probably a little off.

Like we do about Bush and his Axis of Evil statements...

Ah, someone else with his head up his nether orifice. Axis of Evil specifically referred to regimes (not populations), and specifically addressed the issue of state-sponsored terrorism.

Do you really think Palestinian terrorists are mad and blowing things up because of "media frenzy?" No, it comes from their own ideology.

Moralizing idiots thought Hitler was "probably a little off" and refused to take his racist ideology seriously. The same kind of idiots respond to Palestinian antisemitism the same way.