France wants to ban religious and political symbols from schools

[oedo]

Originally posted by The diplomat
There is a big difference between a teacher reciting the Koran out loud in class, and a person wearing a little cross? I could see how reciting the Koran out loud or reciting the Bible out loud would intrude on other people's beliefs. But there is nothing intrusive about wearing a little cross around your neck!

huh! I agree.

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by rixxe


It's not about a religious symbol around the neck. A cross around the neck isn't constantly visible, and can be hidden under a pullower.

It's mainly about the Chador, or a cross against a wall in a classroom. I think it's normal.

Religion and politic MUST remain outside schools.

What's so wrong with wearing a chador ?!? It is really just a big long black piece of cloth. If you didn't know it was worn by muslim women, you wouldn't even know it was religious.

Why can't a Jewish boy come to school wearing the little cap on his head, or a Christian boy wear a cross around his neck, or a muslim girl come to school with a chador? Tolerance and diversity are a good thing. And a school is probably the best place to teach tolerance! People can learn from each other and learn to apreciate each other!

Why be tolerant only in certain "acceptable" places????

[Az]

Yeah, whatever.

Where oh where is the melting pot?

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by DanielXY
We know pretty well about freedom of (and from) religion. It means we dont have to look at a friggin cross in our class-rooms.
Public buildings have to stay neutral. I dont want my tax money get wasted for propaganda efforts.

You can wear your religios stuff all you want, but please leave me and my money alone...

French schools are banning wearing a cross or a star of david, or if your a female muslim a veil....

[Az]

and it's great that they do.

[Vesayen]

You think you should be banned from wearig a Magen David under your shirt in a public school?

[The diplomat]

The thing is that this law goes way too far. If it just prohibit schools from displaying religious symbols, like a big cross on the wall by the balckboard, or a teacher/student from reciting religious doctrines out loud, that would be one thing. But to ban all religious or political symbols is excessive.

What if a kid draws a little Jesus fish on his notebook? Is he/she going to be punished or expelled from school for something small like THAT? Under this law, yes, and that is wrong!

[Theben]

I saw nothing in the translated article barring students from personal displays. It seems to limit the display by the schools and faculty.

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by Theben
I saw nothing in the translated article barring students from personal displays. It seems to limit the display by the schools and faculty.

I don't think the article is 100% clear on this. "port visible" which translates "visible display" could include the case of students wearing symbols on their clothes and such. The article does not specifically say that the law only deals with public displays or that the law exempts students. In fact, another article specifically mentionned wanting to ban students from wearing the chador.

[Jon Miller]

why should the faculty be limited?

Jon Miller

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by oedo
what´s wrong with it? some pupils could feel disturbed when being confronted with muslim, budddhist, hindu, scientologist or whatever symbols.

Yeah we wouldnt want them to be exposed to different ideas. I mean, it might actually prepare them for the REAL world.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by The diplomat


What if a kid draws a little Jesus fish on his notebook? Is he/she going to be punished or expelled from school for something small like THAT? Under this law, yes, and that is wrong!

This isn´t said in the text you quoted. Since you think it is not to "100% clear" I wonder where you draw this conlusion from.

[Bereta_Eder]

A Pariiiiis quant un amour fleri ca fait pentant de deux coeur qui se ba au printeeeemps.

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by BeBro


This isn´t said in the text you quoted. Since you think it is not to "100% clear" I wonder where you draw this conlusion from.

I am just asking a hypothetical.

[Kirnwaffen]

If it goes any farther than banning displays that are actually part of the building and doctrinal recitations by teachers, then it goes to far. If Vesayen is correct, this is rediculous. If you want to have freedom from seeing religion expressed in any form, you can borrow my ice pick and gouge out your eyes.