Everything That Has A Beginning Has An End: Matrix Spoiler Thread.

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by Sava
I for one enjoyed the third Matrix (and the other two). I thought Revolutions was amazing and a good conclusion to the story. It also left certain hints for possibly more movies. The thing I hated about the second one was that stupid Zion part with the dancing and Morpheus acting like he was ****ing Moses or something. But the third was great.

There was such a parallel to the Christ myth. Humanity's struggle versus evil and Neo dying for their past sins (BTW, you would have had to have seen the Animatrix to really understand the nature of humanity's sins that started the war between the machines.)

How did the war start? I have not seen the animatrix.

[Jack_www]

For those of you asking about the twins Morpheus killed them in the second movie, remember?

[Sandman]

You see them taking on their ethereal form as they get blown into the air. It's far more ambiguous than, say, Agent Smith's death at the end of the Matrix.

[st_swithin]

Why I Haven't Seen Matrix Revolutions (Yet)
Saw the first 2, tho.

-They eat that same endosperm gruel every single day for every single meal. I get pissy if I have to eat Ramen more than 5 times in a row, and I have eggs AND chili paste. Then they never mention food outside the Matrix ever, ever again.

-All that cool technology and not one shirt without a hole in it. But the ladies of Zion all gots they hair and nails did, and they got bling ("You know I don't believe in that stuff." "But I do!") Hammered/wrought silver and no sewing needles. And everyone's fave colour is grey.

-Leather and vinyl are the creakiest materials on the planet, and when they go into the Matrix, everyone's dressed like gothic advertising reps gone wild, even though they're supposed to be covert. Creak creak shoot shoot creak.

-Everyone in Zion knows who Neo is and what he looks like, but not one printed piece of paper or pictures or anything. Word of mouth is astonishing. Maybe they have trading cards - Matrix, the Gathering.

-No Asian people actually made it to Zion; they're all in the Matrix, relegated to being bad guy thugs and the one Keymaker. It's sort of like ethnic representation in Judaism, actually. There is no spoon, but no one invents chopsticks.

[Gatekeeper]

Originally posted by Q Cubed

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/film/matrix50.html

-Dr. Albert Oxford, PhD
Chairman, London Film Institute

Is this guy for real? He sure spends a lot of time deconstructing the Matrix films and sh*tting on the people who watch them for someone who considers himself an intellectual elite.

Gatekeeper

[Jack_www]

At first I though what that guy said was funny, but as I go down the list it just gets dumber. The idiot also complains about Aaliyah being cut out of the movie. Yeah she was cut out because she died in a plane crash dumb ***.

[Drogue]

Originally posted by Jack_www
How did the war start? I have not seen the animatrix.

In short, the Second Renaissance:

The humans invent robots, and get them to do all the work. The humans laze and party all the time. This is fine until aman tries to destroy his robot, which promptly kills him. The robot claims he "didn't want to die", while the prosecution claim a man's right to destroy his property. The robot is put to death, and the destruction of robots is ordered. Mobs go on the rampage killing them. The machines create their own nation, which because of their work, lack of need for sleep, and general processes, rapidly dominates world production, and their economy soars. The nations of man try to combat this, and fail. The machines go to the UN for a treaty, and are thrown out. The nations of man blockade the machine nation, and so the war starts. The machines are winning, so the humans try to scortch the sky. The machines, when winning, experiment on the humans to find a power source, and to find how they work, to help win the war. They win, conviningly. The rest goes as Morpheus explains in the first film. It's done pretty graphically at times.

[Starchild]

So, um, the Machines are in the right all along and Zion is the last city of mankind, the species that started the war in the first place? Our good guys are basically terrorists fighting an ongoing war which their ancestors started?

[Verres]

so close to reality

[Drogue]

No, as Morpheus said, we don't know who struck first. We blockaded them and cut trade links, then the war started.

[Starchild]

Oh okay. So we sanctioned them after going on rampages to kill them? Because we viewed sentient lifeforms as property that we could destroy on a whim?

I agree with Smith. Once we let them do the thinking for us, our civilisation became their civilisation. IMO, I would not be surprised if the humans struck first.

[Drogue]

Were they sentient? It hints that they didn't become sentient until they started improving themselves, building better AI, until they got their own nation. But yes, humans viewed them as property, like slaves.

[Starchild]

We don't let people kill dogs without going unpunished yet a robot that could make its own claim at a trail is mere property?

Humans suck. We lost the evolutionary race. Machines were in the right.

Besides, the Matrix has always been a false dilemma to me anyway. Why bother with all the muck and crap of Zion and being "free" when you can live out a normal life inside the Matrix never knowing that you're not free? Love, life, and liberty. It's all the same inside the Matrix as it is in the "real" world. We could be in a Matrix right now and never know it. Does that make our emotions any less real? Does that strip meaning from our lives? Bah. Let the Machines have the real world, with its clouded skies and ruined planet. We get to be fed, watered, and allowed to live out full lives in exchange for a few megajoules of body heat.

[Q Classic]

it's so funny hearing people tear apart the matrix now, after reloaded and enter the matrix sucked. seems almost like a emperor's new clothes effect.

[Provost Harrison]

I'm with Starchild on this one...the logical thing for humanity to do would be to merge with the machines and abandon corporeal form...