Everything That Has A Beginning Has An End: Matrix Spoiler Thread.

[St Leo]

This is going in my blog tonight:

Okay, just got back from seeing Matrix Revolutions. First, some thoughts on trailers.

The Alamo - "We'll show the world what patriots are made of". Excuse me? The world? Patriots? Mexico outlaws slavery, so the [effers] in some goddessforsaken northern province betray their country -- teh slavery teh forevah -- cowardly hole up in some mission, and are promptly whooped by 3000 troops of General Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna ("One of the largest armies ever assembled." according to the movie). Patriots my [rear].

Troy - Ignoring for the moment the completely implausibly-sized fleet in the zoom-out, Helen did not "betray her king". Meh. The movie's basically an excuse for Brad Pitt and Orlando Bloom to prance around half-naked, so whatever. I'm not going to see it anyways.

The Matrix by the Wachowski Brothers
Secularity: 6
Technophilia: 10
Tilt: 7
Average: 7.7

Zee runs around Zion with her rocket launcher fighting machines and generally kicking [rear]. What? What do you mean that wasn't the main part of the movie? Who cares? It was the good part of the movie.

Atrocious things:
-two Boromir-style deaths
-young Anakin wannabe
-Christian symbolism

First of all, characters should never eulogize themselves. When they are deaded, they should die. That's one of the reasons Kill Bill is such [an effing] amazing movie. When Anita Green gets a knife through her chest, she doesn't give a five-minute speech. Five-minute speeches insult the audience and sell the movie short.

I won't dignify the plucky Anakin-wannabe with a write-up. Well, not any more of one. Honestly.

WTF @ all the crosses at the end of the movie? I mean, seriously, the movie's not Christian in its worldview. The are three sides and none of them are Good or Evil. Okay, other Christian-wannabe stuff like Simmons' Hyperion, Herbert's Dune, and Miller's Canticle for Leibowitz aren't exactly black-and-white either, but the Matrix is practically RGB.

Of course, if they are going for Judaism 4.0, they don't need to keep the same kernel worldview, but why would they keep Judaism 2.0's imagery?

Bah. All the Oracle scenes are lame. I kinda like the Indian family, but the subway is lame. The lobby scene was done way better in the original Matrix. The S&M club scene -- yay for lesbians who dance while holding each other's nipples -- is self-parody, but I like self-parody.

The choral pieces are very nice, but the score generally is non-memorable. Oh, and I've taken far better pics of clouds than they could come up with.

Interestingly enough, Smith's monologue at the end was the first bit of philosophy I've noticed in the entire trilogy. It raises all the correct points and Neo does answer it correctly.

Love, Peace, Truth, etc. are constructs just as artificial as the Matrix. So what? Bingo.

Watch it if you've seen the other two. IMHO, Matrix Reloaded is the best movie in the trilogy, but this one's okay too.

[sprucemoose3311]

So neo was the antivirus

THe matrix is a mainframe that has the potential to download programs onto people (people act like computers in this case). Thus when the One program is downloaded on Neo, he retains the potentials of the program outside of the matrix. The One is only limited by his mind in both the matrix and the real world.

Now how did the One program develope? When the first one was used as a means of control over zion (as would the rest of the Ones) he felt a societal love for every person alive. The program on him was copied onto the next person chosen to be the on. This creates a continual feedback loop which the movies imply that the One program becomes more powerful each time. The machines answer with better agnets and more machines (to attack zion). The side affect of the One becoming more powerful is the general love for the people of the world narrows down until the One feels completely atttached to another... Trinity. That explains all the love junk in the last2 movies.

What the movies come down to is about two or three dozen philosophies intertwined within modern day computer concepts.

I see only a handful of questions after revolutions:

1. Everything the oracle says is important in revolutions, she tells neo he simply did not want to die, so he lived (because of the one program). Neo appears to be dead or unconscience at the end, has he finally chosen to die?

2. See Number 1, is Merv (the french guy) a previous one who has chosen to live? If so how would he have seved persephone? Either she was originally a program of Merv knows something that we dont know. If persephone was the lover of Merv (and if he was a One), then potentially anyone could have a program written on them.

[Sandman]

Anyone else see a pattern?

It seems to me that the Wachowskis were trying too hard to create an 'expanded universe' and all the merchandising opportunities that entails.

The Empire Strikes Back introduced four new main characters; Yoda, Lando, Boba Fett and the Emperor.

The Matrix Reloaded introduced thirteen new main characters; the Merovingian, Persephone, the Architect, Lock, Link, Link's girlfriend, Niobe, Counsellor Hammond, the Keymaker, the Kid and that real-world Agent Smith.

Edit- and Seraph!

Fewer characters = more character. The lesson is simple. Including too many characters will lower the quality of the films, and thus reduce the interest in the expanded universe. Just let it happen 'naturally'.

[Bereta_Eder]

You could say they wanted to expand the merchandise. But lots of the characters were essential to bring the 3rd matrix to conclusion IMO. For example Lock was necessairy to reach the architect, the frenchman necessairy to reach Lock etc etc
But I agree it seemed a bit "forced".

[mrmitchell]

I haven't seen any of them at all. So, is the overwhelming majority opinion not to watch this one? I'm going to get around to seeing the original sometime...right after filling in that 30 foot crater in the yard.

[Sandman]

Originally posted by paiktis22
You could say they wanted to expand the merchandise. But lots of the characters were essential to bring the 3rd matrix to conclusion IMO. For example Lock was necessairy to reach the architect, the frenchman necessairy to reach Lock etc etc
But I agree it seemed a bit "forced".

Ok, but even if we keep the plot basically the same, there are still plenty of unnecessary characters.

Link: he was kinda cool, but it was totally OTT to introduce us to his home and his girl. Should have stayed more of a sidekick.

Counsellor Hammond: Did not need to be developed at all. Could have stayed distant.

Seraph: He's not in the first film, even though the Oracle was. Let's face it, he was just in it to add an Asian face and another cool outfit. Was not needed.

Agent Smith's human form: He wasn't really needed. Rather than writing most of the hoverships out due to his treachery, they coulda had them at the battle for Zion instead.

The Kid: Unnecessary, had they just written the battle of Zion a bit differently.

Niobe: Also unneeded. The Freeway chase could have been written a bit differently, and it could have been Morpheus piloting the Hammer instead of her. Although I concede, that out of the new 'good' characters, she probably deserves to be left in the most. If she had been left in, she should have accompanied the main characters much more, in order to add a new dynamic to their relationship.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by paiktis22
oh great perhaps we are twins

If Smith and Neo are twins then maybe Paiktiss and Slowhand are twins.

[Bereta_Eder]

Yep I agree most of those were not needed. Like all those tiresome long battles in 2 and 3 werent needed either. They could have used this time to forge a more solid plot (if they could).

[Dinner]

BTW Was I the only felt like the script was written about five minutes before it was filmed? It seemed like they riped off scenes from half of the other sci-fi movies out there-Aliens, Star Wars, Dune, heck you name it and they stile a scene from it. The Whocowskis left so many loss ends and failed to explain so much that I have to wonder if they put much thought in to this movie at all.

[Q Classic]

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/film/resolutions.html

http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/film/matrix50.html

[Ned]

Too much deus ex machina for my tastes. Even as I watched the final dual with Smith, I knew it would not end with a victory by Neo. So, what was the point of the fight at all?

Ditto his ability to destroy the machines by waving his hand. Since this did not turn out to be a matrx within a matrix, how could he possibly do that?

Once he had superhuman powers outside the matrix, the movie lost its point. It was no longer man against the machine, but demigod or comic book superhero against the machine. It became ridiculous.

[Zero]

matrix is whack yo.

sux0r!!!11!!!!11!!!!!!1

[Sava]

I for one enjoyed the third Matrix (and the other two). I thought Revolutions was amazing and a good conclusion to the story. It also left certain hints for possibly more movies. The thing I hated about the second one was that stupid Zion part with the dancing and Morpheus acting like he was ****ing Moses or something. But the third was great.

There was such a parallel to the Christ myth. Humanity's struggle versus evil and Neo dying for their past sins (BTW, you would have had to have seen the Animatrix to really understand the nature of humanity's sins that started the war between the machines.)

[Provost Harrison]

Yes, I think a lot of people are being too harsh but it is cool to be grumpy nowadays

[Q Classic]

i'm hearing all sorts of bad things about this new matrix.

surely it can't be as bad as the game...