Should the Allies have handled Post-WW2 differently?

[ravagon]

It would've been more a PR nightmare than anything else IMO.
After all the allies had already been forced to paint Stalin in a new light after the onset of war between the Axis and the Comintern - he was a bad guy only just south of Hitler until then - backflipping yet again after the defeat of the Axis in europe probably wouldn't have gone down too well.
Besides - with the Japanese still unconquered it would've been foolish to begin fighting anew, and several months later, after that little detail had been taken care of, the red army had had a much needed several months for rest and recovery.

[axi]

hmmm, I think that overstates it - partisans never had much more than a nuisance value - but you are right in the sense that such a war would not have had wide popular support.

In December 1944, the ELAS, the Greek communist partizan army had a main force of 45.000 men and another 45.000 men in reserves. That army, which was founded rather late, in 1942, had managed to pin down 10 German divisions throughout the war. When the Germans retreated in October, it was the only army in the whole country. Some of these reserves that were stationed in Athens fought against General Scoby's forces between Dec3 and Jan26 inside the city, until the Varkiza accord was signed and the ELAS was disarmed. When the civil war broke out again in 1946, the new ELAS had a starting force of 3.000 men and reached a maximum of 26.000. This partizan army managed to pin down a regular army of 200.000 men between 1946-1949. That army was an utter failure by guerilla standards.

I do not have any numbers on the partizan forces in France, Italy or in any Asian country, but they were rather formidable foes, for the purpose they were used for against the Germans. They were definitely going to be used against the Allies as well.

[Ned]

As I mentioned in another thread, the US military, including Eisenhower, were in favor of accepting Japan's conditional offer of surrender in part to forstall the Soviet declaration of war on Japan. It was our perceived need to get the Soviets to declare war that lead to Truman's weakness at Potsdam. Also, a major cause of Truman's use of the bomb was because Stalin knew he was in a position of strength and virtually dictated terms in Europe. Truman wanted to demonstrate the US's new superweapon to Stalin.

Had Truman simply listened to Eisenhower, who gave him his views at Potsdam, history might have been different. But, Truman continued down the path of concessions to Stalin. Truman never even got the unconditional surrender he wanted with Japan while surrendering Eastern Europe and dropping the A-bomb. Not to smart in my book.

[Ted Striker]

Stalin didn't dictate sheit

USA!

[Kuciwalker]

I think that it turned out a lot better than it could have - we aren't a bunch of glowing radioactive dust particles.

[Jon Miller]

it was the Red Army that actually slaughtered Germany

not the Western allies

Jon Miller

[Ned]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
it was the Red Army that actually slaughtered Germany

not the Western allies

Jon Miller

True, Jon, but Truman did roll over an play dead at Potsdam.

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
it was the Red Army that actually slaughtered Germany

not the Western allies

Jon Miller

Popular apologist theory but no

Contrary to the revisionist view, allied strategic bombing did obliterate the Nazi war machine

[Alexander's Horse]

what crap

[Jon Miller]

man

take a look at the tanks

Jon Miller

[Alexander's Horse]

if you want to get an idea of who won the war just one of the many European theatre wargames on the market

[Ted Striker]

what are you talking about

and you ah british commanders fighting to the last australian etc.

[The Vagabond]

Originally posted by Big Crunch
What we shoulda done is stop the aid to Russia once victory was almost inevitable. Russia would not have given up fighting, I think Stalin was too stupid and obstinant to negotiate a seperate peace, but it wouldn't make that much difference to the outcome if they did. The Allies could then have liberated Eastern Europe itself while Russia stood around as an impotent bystander.

LOL, what a naive point of view! First, if the aid were stopped as of 1 January 1944, this would have made no crucial diffirence. By then, the Red Army was virtually unstoppable. The aid was most important from the mid 1942 till 1943. Second, if the USSR made a separate peace in the beginning of 1944, when the whole Soviet territory was liberated, you would have never liberated Europe (not even Western, not to mention Eastern). It would have been a stalemate. Indeed, there are two factors that made your landing in Normandie successful:

1) The main part of the German Army was tied up in the East.
2) Motivation: get to Western Europe before the Soviets.

In the case of a separate peace, none of the two would be present. Hence a stalemate.

Well, perhaps only with the help of the A-bomb could you liberate Europe by yourselves.

[Ted Striker]

1) The main part of the German Army was tied up in the East.

yeah right

or maybe the western and southern front were tying up German forces to take the load off the eastern front. that's why it's a 2 (3) front war duh

stalin had been screaming for a second front to open up

[Alexander's Horse]

Just imagine D Day with a panzer army up your clacker and you'll get the idea Ted.