Anyone Feel a Draft?

[David Floyd]

And why would I care about "free" health care or education? I'm hardly ever sick, and if I went to Canada to escape the draft I doubt I'd be in school (even assuming universities are free, which I doubt).

[David Floyd]

Sure they do... because Canada doesn't allow pharmaceutical companies to fleece its people... for instance.

Oh, because the tyrants in the Canadian government don't allow people to contract freely with others, and to dispose of their own property as they see fit?

[DinoDoc]

I like this jack better than the original topic.

[Sava]

Originally posted by David Floyd


Oh, because the tyrants in the Canadian government don't allow people to contract freely with others, and to dispose of their own property as they see fit?

That's right... excessive corporate profits is more important than senior citizens having lower costing, life saving-extending drugs...

[MikeH]

Originally posted by David Floyd Oh, because the tyrants in the Canadian government don't allow people to contract freely with others, and to dispose of their own property as they see fit?

You'd think someone would vote them out if they didn't like it. Actually most of us who live in higher tax areas with stuff like free healthcare really like it and don't mind paying.

[KrazyHorse]

Re: No free lunch

Originally posted by DinoDoc
They aren't free nor do they cost less if you pay more in taxes for them.

Actually, even including the taxes both those things are much cheaper.

[Spec]

Re: No free lunch

Originally posted by DinoDoc
They aren't free nor do they cost less if you pay more in taxes for them.

They mat not be free but atleast we dont end up with a 50000$ student loan at the end of our studies and we dont need insurance to get health care. No matter how stupid it was the way you got hurt, you will get health care. No need for courts and trials to get health care.

I like it better this way.

Spec.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by David Floyd
And why would I care about "free" health care or education? I'm hardly ever sick, and if I went to Canada to escape the draft I doubt I'd be in school (even assuming universities are free, which I doubt).

Universities aren't free, but they charge a pittance (2000-3000 $US per annum, depending on the province).

[David Floyd]

That's right... excessive corporate profits is more important than senior citizens having lower costing, life saving-extending drugs...

No, but corporations being able to charge what they want to for their own products is more important than senior citizens being able to afford drugs they have no legal or moral entitlement to.

MikeH,

You'd think someone would vote them out if they didn't like it. Actually most of us who live in higher tax areas with stuff like free healthcare really like it and don't mind paying.

Unless the number of supporters is 100%, the system remains unfair and tyrannical.

[David Floyd]

They mat not be free but atleast we dont end up with a 50000$ student loan at the end of our studies and we dont need insurance to get health care. No matter how stupid it was the way you got hurt, you will get health care. No need for courts and trials to get health care.

Yes, it's ridiculous that you should actually have to PAY for services received, isn't it?

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by David Floyd


Oh, because the tyrants in the Canadian government don't allow people to contract freely with others, and to dispose of their own property as they see fit?

What property? Patented drugs are by definition a State-enforced monopoly. One would think that a libertarian would have problems with this.

[KrazyHorse]

Originally posted by David Floyd


No, but corporations being able to charge what they want to for their own products is more important than senior citizens being able to afford drugs they have no legal or moral entitlement to.

MikeH,



Unless the number of supporters is 100%, the system remains unfair and tyrannical.

What makes you think we don't feel the same way about unrestrained latter-day capitalism with all of its little "quirks"?

[David Floyd]

What property? Patented drugs are by definition a State-enforced monopoly. One would think that a libertarian would have problems with this.

The issue, to me, is not one of intellectual property, but rather one of government intervention. In principle, I have no problem with someone developing a similar, generic drug for half the price, however, it seems rather like stealing when you take something that someone else made, reverse-engineer it, and market it as your own.

[David Floyd]

What makes you think we don't feel the same way about unrestrained latter-day capitalism with all of its little "quirks"?

I assure you, I'm no fan of capitalism either, as it is practiced today, with all of the government intervention. While it is CERTAINLY far better than pure socialism, it is definitely not as free as a laissez-faire system.

[Spec]

Originally posted by David Floyd


Yes, it's ridiculous that you should actually have to PAY for services received, isn't it?

What did you not get about my post. IT IS NOT FREE!!! WE PAY FOR IT!!! Only, everybody pays for everybody, thus making us almost free of debt when we end our studies. Is that clear enough?!!?


Spec.