Should every person on Apolyton feel extremely guilty?

[Az]

Let me try and clarifying - for the good of the community, you are required to perform certain actions - like pay your taxes, sign up for the draft, etc. Some of these duties (most notably the draft) are in fact contested, and not all believe they are your duty. Duty consists largely of your legal obligations. Again, the most significant example is paying taxes.

For the good of your community, you're also required to stop criminals, aka "Good samaritan law". and for the good of your community, you're paying for welfare, with your taxes.

See where I am going with this?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Re: Should every person on Apolyton feel extremely guilty?

No.

[Az]

I agree. The people who should feel guilty are the mods.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Azazel
For the good of your community, you're also required to stop criminals, aka "Good samaritan law". and for the good of your community, you're paying for welfare, with your taxes.

See where I am going with this?

Actually, you're wrong. The "Good Samaritan Law" says that you can't sue someone who tried in good faith to save your life through CPR or such at the scene of the injury.

And paying you taxes is something that allows the community to do things it would not be able to otherwise, thing that require a concentration of money. This does not.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Jon Miller
I would give money to hepl the poor people of the world (incl;uding my money for my computer and everything else), if it woudl help them

but I don't tihnk it would, becuase it would not get to them

instead it would be siphoned off a long the way

also, I don't know how to help personally

so basically I do nothing

and I do feel guilty, but I don't know what to do?

(I do try and help those in the US I see)

Jon Miller

Don't feel guilty. Help if you want, but the idea that you should feel guilt about not helping is the same idea that led to the Inquisition.

[Az]

Actually, you're wrong. The "Good Samaritan Law" says that you can't sue someone who tried in good faith to save your life through CPR or such at the scene of the injury.

And paying you taxes is something that allows the community to do things it would not be able to otherwise, thing that require a concentration of money. This does not.

Bull. as every libertarian would tell you, this can be easily achieved with private enterprise and capital.

[Kuciwalker]

Bull. as every libertarian would tell you, this can be easily achieved with private enterprise and capital.

You've become a disciple of DF?

[MichaeltheGreat]

Originally posted by Azazel
I agree. The people who should feel guilty are the mods.

I've heard that one can, in a Freudian sense, assuage one's own guilt by punishing others.

[Az]

Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat
I've heard that one can, in a Freudian sense, assuage one's own guilt by punishing others.

Nah, Freudian theories have been largely disproved, and those who adhere to them are usually different sorts of perverts.

You've become a disciple of DF?

notice the winking smiley.

[Kuciwalker]

notice the winking smiley.

Sorry, I forgot one of my own.

[BeBMan]

Originally posted by skywalker

When someone sees the murder taking place but doesn't call 911 to stop, their actions (doing nothing) caused that person to die.

WRONG! Their actions did NOT cause that person's death. It was the action of the murderer that caused the person's death. Otherwise, it is EVERYONE's fault when someone dies, because our inaction "caused that person's death".

Careful here. Of course the guy who tried to murder the person is to blame first, but if you do not help (eg. call police/doctor) despite you can you´re responsible too. Not sure if you meant that here....

"Good action is doing the RIGHT thing to do. Helping the person bleeding to death in front of you(...)"

because

"However, helping a dying person isn't your DUTY, and it would be a violation of your freedoms to make it so."

(Because according to your first statement sometimes it is your duty )

[Flubber]

I agree with MTG

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by BeBro
Careful here. Of course the guy who tried to murder the person is to blame first, but if you do not help (eg. call police/doctor) despite you can you´re responsible too. Not sure if you meant that here....

No, you aren't responsible. When someone got shot last night (I'm sure it happened, somewhere in the world) I didn't call the police. Am I responsible?

"Good action is doing the RIGHT thing to do. Helping the person bleeding to death in front of you(...)"

because

"However, helping a dying person isn't your DUTY, and it would be a violation of your freedoms to make it so."

(Because according to your first statement sometimes it is your duty )

Huh?

[Elok]

Originally posted by Flubber
I agree with MTG

Generally a safe statement to make.

As to the actual thread, well, I have no idea how to answer it without dipping into theology, but I agree to some extent with the starter. We'll leave it at that.

[Ned]

John C. McLeod, what if I could demonstrate to you that we could permanently help the poor in the Third World by improving their governments against their will and if necessary by overthrowing them? Would this justify such a foreign-policy?