Slew of OS X vulnerabilities found, Apple says to fix you must buy Panther for $129..

[Q Classic]

$130 an ungodly amount of money? that's not what i said. then again, i've retracted all of my ad hominems against you, because you're so right, and i should be ****ting money out of my ass.

[Wiglaf]

If that's your term for "buying things" then yes, ****ting money out your ass would be a good thing.

The problem with robbery is that you are easily irritable and confused when confronted with the need to actually pay for something. Be more economical, responsible, and legal, and you're fine.

[muxec]

I can not understand people who are discussing Plug&Pay product for a merely 110 posts... Not less than 500 posts should be here tommorow!

[Kuciwalker]

Wiglaf. There was a bug. Apple is releasing a new version and discontinuing support for the old version, forcing people to pay money to keep getting support. Microsoft doesn't do this - it keeps support OS's even after a newer version is out.

[Gatekeeper]

Originally posted by Asher
I am not going to go to some Mac fansite so I can be inundated with people like Agathon and Drake who don't have a clue what they're talking about and think they're right.

There you go again with your stereotypes and assumptions. MacCentral isn't a "fansite" so much as it is an overall site, of which the forums are only a part of. Furthermore, you would find out that not all people who use Apple's products are "fanatics" if you could be bothered to even scope those forums out a bit. One person who's posts are quite interesting is MikeS, and he's far from being a reactive Apple user.

My best friend is a loyal Mac user, and he's very competent with computers (same year CS as me, builds RAIDs and computational clusters for the biochem research at the uni), and he concedes virtually every point when I debate with him about it -- his only response is "So? I like it". Which is basically the only valid response there is.

Hey, cool. There are also folks who have opposite experiences, or experiences somewhere in-between of the Mac/PC relationship you have with your friend.

Gatekeeper

[Asher]

Originally posted by Gatekeeper
There you go again with your stereotypes and assumptions. MacCentral isn't a "fansite" so much as it is an overall site, of which the forums are only a part of. Furthermore, you would find out that not all people who use Apple's products are "fanatics" if you could be bothered to even scope those forums out a bit. One person who's posts are quite interesting is MikeS, and he's far from being a reactive Apple user.

Then tell him to come here.

I've been on Mac sites before (MacAddict, MacNN), and they truly depressed me.

In fact, a few minutes ago I was looking for information about Athlon 64 support in Photoshop 8/CS, and I ran across some MacNN comments about the PCWorld benchmarks...

they have to be lying i use both pcs and macs i do like the apple **** better but they even have the prices wrong $2999 For a single 1.8 its 2,399 not 2999 they have a hidden agenda.

the tests they run are all retarded (except for the photoshop ones, which the G5 wins) Premiere? (why not final cut, there is a reason they don't make Premiere for the mac anymore) Word? (gee, I wonder what operating system that will run better under) Quake III? (I think game speeds have a little more to do with video cards, and video drives, which I would say are still better on the PC end). These tests are no surprises, but they really arn't that good of tests..

Any more posts like that and my head would explode.

[Wiglaf]

Asher, you think you're so hot, you can't even tell me what exactly is wrong with Jaguar that Apple supposedly doesn't want to fix. Both you and skywalker. You have provided nothing but one crappy CNET article that talks about rumored security flaws that for all you know turned out to be nothing serious.

LAME

[Asher]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
Asher, you think you're so hot, you can't even tell me what exactly is wrong with Jaguar that Apple supposedly doesn't want to fix. Both you and skywalker. You have provided nothing but one crappy CNET article that talks about rumored security flaws that for all you know turned out to be nothing serious.

LAME

Yes, it is LAME.

And if you want the technical details of how the buffer overflow is obtained, ***** at Apple for not releasing the details. I can't pull them out of my ass and give them to you, Apple's being "LAME" and has an NDA on the details.

All we know is the buffer overflows did exist, and once you have a buffer overflow it doesn't matter the technical details of how it's obtained -- the result is always (ALWAYS) the same.

[Fve Crathva]

If there aren't any big bugs to fix, then $130 is especially ridiculous.

SP

[Q Classic]

If that's your term for "buying things" then yes, ****ting money out your ass would be a good thing.

that's not my term for buying things. that's my interpretation of what you seem to be saying about money: it's easy come, easy go. we all have oodles of it, and shouldn't think twice about spending it.
guess i'm just wrong when i don't see things that way.

The problem with robbery is that you are easily irritable and confused when confronted with the need to actually pay for something.

wtf? i have no confusion in regards to actually having to pay for goods and services. i know that's how the economy works. and i do actually pay for goods and services, believe it or not. unlike you, my **** isn't made out of money, so i can't be as free-spending as you.
there's also a difference between burglar and thief. i haven't burgled (broken into) anybody's house or computer, so i'm not a burglar. a thief? yes. do i wish i weren't? yes. do i feel that developers should be paid for their efforts? yes, particularly since i am one, at least for my personal use. do i need some of the software i can't afford? yes. if they had libraries that allowed you to borrow some of that software, i'd use 'em. but they don't.
so please, wiggy, don't wig out because not all of us have your circumstances.

Be more economical, responsible, and legal, and you're fine.

wiggy... how many times do i have to say this? economical and responsible i am. otherwise, i wouldn't be at that school or be able to afford the books. sure, i could fork over $130 yearly on an os upgrade, or spend it on other things. does that mean $130 is chump change, easy to spend, easy to use, easy to earn? no. and the crux of our argument here, wiggs, is that you seem to imply that $130 isn't a lot of money, while i'm saying it is. $130 is anywhere from 5% to 10% of most computers when they're first purchased. after usage and depreciates it, it can ballon to 50 to 75%. if that's what you consider just a cheap, small investment, then so be it, but i'm saying it's not.

[Wiglaf]

Asher -

Apple would be retarded to release details on how to obtain a buffer overflow. It's actually their policy not to.

And while it puts you in a tough position, if you want to talk extortion, you really do need more details as to the vulnerabilities and their affects on Panther versus Jaguar. Sorry.

For all you know Jaguar doesn't even suffer from some of this crap: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61798

And contrary to what your *****ing and moaning, Apple is still patching Jaguar anyway.

You owe them an apology.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Wiglaf
Asher -

Apple would be retarded to release details on how to obtain a buffer overflow. It's actually their policy not to.

So why the hell are you getting on my case for not providing details?

And while it puts you in a tough position, if you want to talk extortion, you really do need more details as to the vulnerabilities and their affects on Panther versus Jaguar. Sorry.

Look, it's VERY simple. We already know that it involved buffer overflows. ALL buffer overflows allow you to run code that you shouldn't be able to run, called an "elevation of privledges". This means that with any buffer overflow, you could write code to simply delete everything it has access to, replicate to spread to others, etc.

So it doens't matter if Apple doesn't release the specifics, Bugtraq and CERT have already published enough information that we need to know that it is a buffer overflow, and therefore a major vulnerability.

And contrary to what your *****ing and moaning, Apple is still patching Jaguar anyway.

You owe them an apology.

I owe no one an apology, Apple is patching Jaguar BECAUSE of all of the *****ing. They said clearly to @Stake and in their "vendor response" section of their release, that the solution was to "upgrade to 10.3". They've now changed their minds due to the bad publicity.

Perhaps you owe people like me an apology.

[Wiglaf]

So why the hell are you getting on my case for not providing details?

You alleged extortion...

Look, it's VERY simple. We already know that it involved buffer overflows. ALL buffer overflows allow you to run code that you shouldn't be able to run, called an "elevation of privledges". This means that with any buffer overflow, you could write code to simply delete everything it has access to, replicate to spread to others, etc.

So it doens't matter if Apple doesn't release the specifics, Bugtraq and CERT have already published enough information that we need to know that it is a buffer overflow, and therefore a major vulnerability.

We seem confused here. From where I'm sitting, Panther has vulnerabilities that only a patch compatable with Panther will fix. From where you're sitting (Canada?), Jaguar has vulerabilities that only Panther will fix. Give me a link or something.

I owe no one an apology, Apple is patching Jaguar BECAUSE of all of the *****ing. They said clearly to @Stake and in their "vendor response" section of their release, that the solution was to "upgrade to 10.3". They've now changed their minds due to the bad publicity.

Perhaps you owe people like me an apology.

Well if they've changed their minds, everything's dandy. It's not like MS never cornered the browser market to eliminate healthy competition. All people like YOU have done is make apple release a dummy patch to get people to shut the hell up. Thanks for the dummy patch but I would rather shoot myself than download it.

If there aren't any big bugs to fix, then $130 is especially ridiculous.

It's a deal, actually. http://www.apple.com/macosx/

Q Cubed - $130/yr is peanuts to maintain a computer that you claim you're serious about. Do you have a job? Consider it a necessary expense. And next time you go to buy a laptop, don't overspend so much. Some decent apple laptops go for $1090. You wasted what, $700 just on the laptop in the first place. How responsible...

[Asher]

Wiggy:



If you're some kind of DL, this is brilliant stuff.

[mrmitchell]

And next time you go to buy a laptop, don't overspend so much.

He's already said he wanted it to stay fresh and not obsolete as long as it could. And remember that prices were higher when he bought it, as well.

You owe them an apology.

Your unpatriotic self owes the US an apology. Turn on FOX--Rumsfeld just held a special press conference to say he was coming out of the closet.