Slew of OS X vulnerabilities found, Apple says to fix you must buy Panther for $129..

[Q Classic]

i learned computing when i was less than six. now, i'm a generous lover of computers, so i'm not microsoft-monogamous.
but i haven't negleted microsoft... indeed, i spend much time with it.

[Asher]

Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy
Dang Asher, you're narrowing things down quite a bit, aren't you?

Minor problems like this happens to all kinds of new products from all companies in all industries all the time. It's nothing to be too concerned about.

The problem is Apple is far more prone to "minor" problems like this than most other vendors.

Why do you think Apple sees next to no adoption in the business segment?

Business users don't have much of a problem with price premiums (ThinkPads are expensive), but they're quality and very functional.

IBM puts the ThinkPads through extensive testing, this is part of the reason why it takes a week of "validation" after you order a ThinkPad before it is shipped, provided the parts were in stock. The designs are also put through durability testing, like dropping a ThinkPad from several heights as well as down a flight of stairs (which is why you see them making things like HD Shock Absorbers and the new active-drive protection technology which parks the disk heads when an accelerometer detects it's being dropped). They put a lot of power into R&Ding reliable, fast, and durable notebooks -- Apple puts a lot of money into R&Ding the next color scheme of PowerBooks.

Apple also has a ridiculously short warranty, as opposed to IBM's 3-year (not to mention the default 6-month unconditional warranty (loss, theft, accidental breakage, etc)). They also have a very well deserved reputation of sacrificing functionality for style or even for cost savings (see the puny keyboard on the 15", 17" powerbooks, or the one-button mouse shipped by default), and also have a well-deserved reputation for skimping on beta testing in order to keep things a secret so Jobs can get his rocks off at all of the drooling lackeys orgasming over his announcements at MacWorld.

Apple is a company that needs continue working in the functionality standpoint (they've shown great strides in this department, most notably Expose), but if anything their quality is certainly on the downslide.

For a company with such a small share of the market, problems with Apple products (iTunes, OS 10.3/Panther, PowerBooks) have been all over the news.

You'd have to be blind not to recognize the problem.

[Asher]

Originally posted by St Leo
Prevent kids from learning how to use computers while they are young, and they'll stick with Microsoft for life.

I've had a computer in my house for as long as I can remember.

[FlameFlash]

Asher, I'm simply going to call foul to the fact that in the past you've expressed... annoyance at Mac-users stating that

"my Mac can kick your win-doze's machine's butt!"

Yet, isn't that what you're doing to Mac users? Trolling to anger them?

I use Apple because my tastes and preferences lead me in that direction. I'm sorry that some Apple users are having problems, but note that only the bad stuff generally makes it to the news.

Recall the fact that those worms a month or two ago supposedly were big news? Some Mac users pointed and laughed and said,

'ha ha! I'm invincible! See, Mac is better than Win-doze!'

It was then that you pointed out the fact that it wasn't because of Mac invincibility, but lack of Mac market share, to which I agree.

But now I'd like to point out your hipocracy. All the news articles have done is say that it's all right for your tastes and preferences to be 'better' than that of Mac-users' tastes and preferences.

That is not the case as we are all individuals, and until Mac users start bashing Windows again, from how clearly you've made your stance in the past in the Mac forum, you really ought to wait and knock down Mac users' misconceptions, not call them out of the woodwork to pick fights with.

[Kuciwalker]

What's wrong with it?

People post anti-bush posts. So?

People post pro-bush posts. So?

Almost everything you post (excluding IWS and thread's like, for example, Pekka's pool thread) will spark an argument. That's the GOOD thing about the OT forums.

It isn't Asher's fault that he is clearly right

[FlameFlash]

I'm not calling anybody down but Asher, skywalker, who has previously expounded on being 'better' than to say one is better than the other and simply point out flaws in Mac-fanatic's arguements.

I could care less on the rest (other's postings) since I haven't read them make statements that would by hypocritical, I'm just pointing out the hypocracy of one whom I would like to understand the motivation of the change.

[Kuciwalker]

What is wrong with pointing out flaws in someone's argument? If he constantly wins these arguments, either a) he's right, b) he's a way better debater (take that Mr. "I'm-A-Philosophy-Professor-and-Thus-Am-Smarter-Than-You" Agathon ), or c) both. There is no hypocrisy involved.

[mrmitchell]

The Mac arguments usually involve Asher winning or the thread being locked. The arguments about every other OS than Mac or Windows usually stalemate and thus become a dung-throwing contest until the thread is locked.

[FlameFlash]

Originally posted by skywalker
What is wrong with pointing out flaws in someone's argument? If he constantly wins these arguments, either a) he's right, b) he's a way better debater (take that Mr. "I'm-A-Philosophy-Professor-and-Thus-Am-Smarter-Than-You" Agathon ), or c) both. There is no hypocrisy involved.

/me sighs.

Please reread my two posts or ask for clarification, I don't understand how this comment came out of those as a response.

Originally posted by mrmitchell
The Mac arguments usually involve Asher winning or the thread being locked. The arguments about every other OS than Mac or Windows usually stalemate and thus become a dung-throwing contest until the thread is locked.

True, and I hate it when that happens as well which is why I thought I was asking kindly for a reason why Asher decided to pick the fight this time as opposed to point out Mac user flaunting falseness.

[Kuciwalker]

True, and I hate it when that happens as well which is why I thought I was asking kindly for a reason why Asher decided to pick the fight this time as opposed to point out Mac user flaunting falseness.

You hate it when Asher wins or it is a stalemate?

[FlameFlash]

/me sighs.

When the thread is locked due to a loss of civility.

[Kuciwalker]

Not Asher's fault Agathon and Drake violate the rules and make fun of his SO

[Imran Siddiqui]

Anyway, I don't think Asher's 'trolls' are any worse than when UR or Agathon post an anti-Microsoft post. It's just because Asher routinely whips them do I think that the Macheads resent his presence.

[Gatekeeper]

**shrug** Yeah, I'd feel pretty safe and superior posting repeatedly about the alleged deficiencies of "x" when such postings are made only among mostly like-minded people.

The day I see Asher go to the Web site link I provided and post what he posts here — along with the arrogant attitude that seems to permeat his Apple-related topics — there is the day I'll grant him more respect when it comes to his views on Apple. If he can go there and defuse the counter-arguments they throw at him, more power to him.

Until then, what he does is no different than a Mac user who rants and raves amid a sea of fellow Mac users about the deficiencies of the PC and the people who use them.

And, for the record, I'm still considering getting a PC the next time I upgrade my computer. It's all about balance in the end, and that's what I'm working with now — Apple or PC? Well, what works best is what I'll get, and it's not automatically a PC or Apple.

Gatekeeper

[Kuciwalker]

Actually, in Asher's threads, it's pretty even in terms of numbers. Two or three people on his side (including him), two or three people on the other.

This is not a pure PC forum. Those mac boards are pure Mac forums.