Slew of OS X vulnerabilities found, Apple says to fix you must buy Panther for $129..

[mrmitchell]

$130 * 4? What the hell is that? I am tired of dealing with idiots. Some people, not to name anyone in particular, are just morons. I cannot make sense of it.

What the hell is that? I am tired of dealing with idiots. Some people, not to name anyone in particular, are just morons. I cannot make sense of it.



$130 for yearly OS release/upgrade * 4 years of being in college = 520 final cost of four yearly upgrades.

It gets worse when you consider a Mac of 4 years ago probably won't run the latest MacOS at blazing speeds, either.

[Q Classic]

It gets worse when you consider a Mac of 4 years ago probably won't run the latest MacOS at blazing speeds, either.

actually, my gf has an imac (which i detest) that runs panther faster than it ran jaguar. 'course, she had a friend who had another friend who worked at apple corporate, so she got it before the release party. she did need it though, as jaguar fried itself and she didn't have the discs with her.

[Urban Ranger]

Chill out, the temper is flaring here.

[Asher]

Some tips:
1) The thread was sinking until you bumped it in your infinite wisdom
2) The tempers seem quite fine right now, did you look at the recent posts?

Somebody's having a bit too much fun with their new found powers...

[Asher]

Thanks for the bump, I have a new story about Apple

http://news.com.com/2100-1046_3-5101569.html?tag=nefd_top

Musicmatch tries to stay plugged into iPod
Last modified: November 3, 2003, 3:26 PM PST
By Ina Fried
Staff Writer, CNET News.com

Musicmatch isn't quite ready to give up its ties to the iPod.

On Monday, the San Diego-based music software company sent an e-mail to its customers letting them know that, despite the arrival of Apple Computer's iTunes for Windows, customers can still use its jukebox program to connect to Apple's iPod. However, the message warns them that if they install iTunes, Musicmatch's connection to the iPod will be severed.

"As a valued Musicmatch customer and iPod user, we want to alert you to a serious software conflict caused by iTunes for Windows," the company said in the e-mail. "Apple iTunes for Windows prevents Musicmatch Jukebox from working with the iPod by deleting critical files used by Musicmatch."

The software maker goes on to offer detailed instructions on how customers can uninstall iTunes and resume using Musicmatch.

The e-mail is in response to Apple's move to supplant Musicmatch with its own iTunes software, which it released last month. Upon installing iTunes, customers are no longer able to synchronize their iPods with Musicmatch.

Apple and Musicmatch were partners when the Mac maker first took the iPod to Windows, using Musicmatch's jukebox software to synchronize with the music player device. Not long thereafter, Apple revealed plans to adapt iTunes for Microsoft's Windows operating system.

"Once they said we are going to be developing iTunes for Windows, we knew that we would be competing with them," Musicmatch spokeswoman Jennifer Roberts said. However, Roberts said the company did not expect that Apple would unilaterally disconnect its software from the iPod.

"We expected the customer could make the choice, not Apple," Roberts said.

An Apple representative was not immediately available for comment.

Apple and Musicmatch are not only competing in the jukebox software market but are also squaring off with rival music download services.

Shortly after Apple introduced iTunes for Windows last month, Musicmatch started hearing from some customers that wanted to continue using its software, according to Roberts. It decided the e-mail was the best response, she said, noting that the company has several hundred thousand customers that have used Musicmatch with the iPod.

Not all Musicmatch customers appreciated the e-mail, however.

"Musicmatch has sent e-mails to registered iPod users claiming an update, but really attempting to get the user to disable or remove iTunes," said Brandon Harder, an iPod owner in Seattle who was among those who received Musicmatch's e-mail on Monday. "They're attempting to cling onto their market share."

Harder said he briefly used Musicmatch to connect with his Windows iPod but then started using another program before ultimately switching to iTunes once the Windows version came out last month.

"I tried using Musicmatch briefly with my iPod, only to discover it was extremely slow, had a very poor user interface, and caused my PC to hang or crash without fail," Harder wrote.

Tsk tsk...first it makes a partnership with MusicMatch, then the iTunes installer goes in and deletes files in another company's program without asking the user.

Draconian!

[Q Classic]

Tsk tsk...first it makes a partnership with MusicMatch, then the iTunes installer goes in and deletes files in another company's program without asking the user.

well, if it's in %systemroot%\system32\ , they do have p lausible deniablity...

[Gatekeeper]

It is unfortunate that 'poly got a lot of the Mac fanatics somehow...

FlameFlash ... hmm, I'm not so sure it's that there are Mac fanatics at 'Poly so much as ordinary folks who get riled beyond belief by some of what Asher does, and react in equal measure.

Gatekeeper

[Imran Siddiqui]

FlameFlash ... hmm, I'm not so sure it's that there are Mac fanatics at 'Poly so much as ordinary folks who get riled beyond belief by some of what Asher does, and react in equal measure.

No, I'd call them Mac Fanatics. Not that that is way outside the norm for Mac users. Most of them, I've found, are fantatics that will attempt to 'convert' the Microsoft heathen .

[Gatekeeper]

**froths at mouth** What da hellya talkin' 'bout, son? Yeah? So I'm a little jittry! 'Cause it's nearly 4 in da mornin' here! Not 'cuz I'm uh, uh Mac fen, er, fanatic!

[-Jrabbit]

@ Gatekeeper...

Personally, I'm a long-time Mac user who could care less what platform others choose.
I'd just like to see a less abusive attitude from the PC proselytizers.

[FlameFlash]

-Jrabbit
I have a lot of respect for Asher's knowledge of PC hardware and software. What I don't understand is his compulsion to troll Apple users.

That's what I've been wondering about and trying to find out about, but Asher won't respond to me. No, he'd rather respond to people he can easily mock. I present too much of challenge

mrmitchell
$130 for yearly OS release/upgrade * 4 years of being in college = 520 final cost of four yearly upgrades.

It gets worse when you consider a Mac of 4 years ago probably won't run the latest MacOS at blazing speeds, either.

Actually, that'd be $70*4 thanks to Apple's student discount...

Asher
Somebody's having a bit too much fun with their new found powers...

Foulball!

Gatekeeper
FlameFlash ... hmm, I'm not so sure it's that there are Mac fanatics at 'Poly so much as ordinary folks who get riled beyond belief by some of what Asher does, and react in equal measure.

Gatekeeper

Wasn't thinking of you then... wasn't naming names at all and I plan to keep it that way. The more fanatical of us know who they are...

-Jrabbit
@ Gatekeeper...

Personally, I'm a long-time Mac user who could care less what platform others choose.
I'd just like to see a less abusive attitude from the PC proselytizers.

Ditto.

I was pondering the question last night as to why I even use a Mac and realized that it all comes down to the fact that back in the day my family used an Apple IIc. Later, with the newer computers, Dad chose the company he was familiar with: Apple.

Now, of course, I have too many games and apps (Civ, Photoshop, FreeHand, etc.) that are the Mac-ports of them and it would simply be too expensive for me to switch (in my mind... this is not an open invitation for anybody to create a shopping list for me to replace my Mac.)

I'm not switching!

[Asher]

Originally posted by FlameFlash
That's what I've been wondering about and trying to find out about, but Asher won't respond to me. No, he'd rather respond to people he can easily mock. I present too much of challenge

I respond to you. What do you want me to respond to.

Actually, that'd be $70*4 thanks to Apple's student discount...

That's pretty pricey for a student discount.

I'm used to going into the campus Microstore and buying VS.NET for $20 (normally worth thousands).

Foulball!

Home run!

[FlameFlash]

Then respond:

Why ask for trouble from Mac-users when you seem to have a knack for finding qualms with what Mac-users say?

[Kuciwalker]

Because it's fun?

[Asher]

Originally posted by FlameFlash
Then respond:

Why ask for trouble from Mac-users when you seem to have a knack for finding qualms with what Mac-users say?

Because I like being right.