Is it true that Russian troops looted/raped Berlin mid-evil style for 3 days...

[David Floyd]

So the question becomes, do you understand the flawed reasoning or is the act itself understandable?

[Nubclear]

Ah. Flawed reasoning is what I meant by "Understandable".

[David Floyd]

So, given that the reasoning that led to the rapes was flawed, do you also admit that the political indoctrination that led to the flawed reasoning also flawed?

Put another way, did the communist leadership of the Soviet Union bear any responsibility for the results of their indoctrination?

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by David Floyd
So, given that the reasoning that led to the rapes was flawed, do you also admit that the political indoctrination that led to the flawed reasoning also flawed?

Put another way, did the communist leadership of the Soviet Union bear any responsibility for the results of their indoctrination?

Yes, the stalinist leadership did/does bear responsibility

(Nice try )

[David Floyd]

So, then, it might be said that while hundreds of Nazi war criminals were prosecuted, and Nazis in general ostracized, all Soviet war criminals got off scot-free?

Maybe it's time to pursue rape charges against surviving Red Army vets, not to mention those responsible for Katyn Forest, to name one Soviet wartime atrocity.

[David Floyd]

And by the way, you said nothing about the political indoctrination. Was the political indoctrination received by the Red Army morally wrong?

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by David Floyd
And by the way, you said nothing about the political indoctrination. Was the political indoctrination received by the Red Army morally wrong?

Yes, the stalinist leadership did/does bear responsibility

(Nice try )

Nice try

Maybe it's time to pursue rape charges against surviving Red Army vets, not to mention those responsible for Katyn Forest, to name one Soviet wartime atrocity.

If we have proof, then go ahead. However, to go after people simply because they were in the Red Army is frivilous and russophobic.

Like you said...I'm not one to be trying to back into an answer of "No", since I pretty strongly believe those whom commit such crimes should be prosecuted if they are indeed guilty.

[David Floyd]

I'm not trying to back you into anything. I'm just making the point - or rather, getting you to make it for me - that the Soviets could be just as bad as the Nazis.

[Nubclear]

Ah.
Well, I readily admit it. Can you admit the Americans can be just as bad as the Nazis and have been in the past?

[David Floyd]

Oh, definitely.

[chequita guevara]

The problem here is, Floyd is equating understandable with condoning. If you can understand something, even if the reasoning behind it is flawed, then it is understandable. Just because you can understand something, doesn't mean you are saying it's okay.

[David Floyd]

I made the distinction between understanding the reasoning, and saying that the act is understandable. Saying that something is understandable, at least to me, gives off the connotation of "justifiable" or "acceptable". Better to say that the reasoning behind the act can be understood, in that it can be understood to be wrong, but that the act itself is completely unacceptable, and that no right-thinking individual would commit the act.

[Saras]

DF, i tend to agree with you, but you seem manic obsessive at times

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by David Floyd
I made the distinction between understanding the reasoning, and saying that the act is understandable. Saying that something is understandable, at least to me, gives off the connotation of "justifiable" or "acceptable". Better to say that the reasoning behind the act can be understood, in that it can be understood to be wrong, but that the act itself is completely unacceptable, and that no right-thinking individual would commit the act.

You remind me of the NAACP (Sorry ). Even though they know exactly what you mean, your forced to use their definitions lest you become a rascist

[David Floyd]

Hey, I just wanted you commies to admit that the Soviet Union and Red Army were wrong