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    Study: Sexual identity hard-wired by genetics

    Monday, October 20, 2003 Posted: 10:06 AM EDT (1406 GMT)

    LOS ANGELES, California (Reuters) -- Sexual identity is wired into the genes, which discounts the concept that homosexuality and transgender sexuality are a choice, California researchers reported on Monday.

    "Our findings may help answer an important question -- why do we feel male or female?" Dr. Eric Vilain, a genetics professor at the University of California, Los Angeles School of Medicine, said in a statement. "Sexual identity is rooted in every person's biology before birth and springs from a variation in our individual genome."

    His team has identified 54 genes in mice that may explain why male and female brains look and function differently.

    Since the 1970s, scientists have believed that estrogen and testosterone were wholly responsible for sexually organizing the brain. Recent evidence, however, indicates that hormones cannot explain everything about the sexual differences between male and female brains.

    Published in the latest edition of the journal Molecular Brain Research, the UCLA discovery may also offer physicians an improved tool for gender assignment of babies born with ambiguous genitalia.

    Mild cases of malformed genitalia occur in 1 percent of all births -- about 3 million cases. More severe cases -- where doctors can't inform parents whether they had a boy or girl -- occur in one in 3,000 births.

    "If physicians could predict the gender of newborns with ambiguous genitalia at birth, we would make less mistakes in gender assignment," Vilain said.

    Using two genetic testing methods, the researchers compared the production of genes in male and female brains in embryonic mice -- long before the animals developed sex organs.

    They found 54 genes produced in different amounts in male and female mouse brains, prior to hormonal influence. Eighteen of the genes were produced at higher levels in the male brains; 36 were produced at higher levels in the female brains.

    "We discovered that the male and female brains differed in many measurable ways, including anatomy and function." Vilain said.

    For example, the two hemispheres of the brain appeared more symmetrical in females than in males. According to Vilain, the symmetry may improve communication between both sides of the brain, leading to enhanced verbal expressiveness in females.

    "This anatomical difference may explain why women can sometimes articulate their feelings more easily than men," he said.

    The scientists plan to conduct further studies to determine the specific role for each of the 54 genes they identified.

    "Our findings may explain why we feel male or female, regardless of our actual anatomy," said Vilain. "These discoveries lend credence to the idea that being transgender --- feeling that one has been born into the body of the wrong sex -- is a state of mind."
    Well, most people already knew it wasn't a choice.
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    This study is bull****. It is made up just to "back-up" the pro-gay agenda. It is a yet another perfect example of science being used to excuse immoral behavior.
    'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
    G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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    • #3
      Isn't this kind of obvious? Every human behaviour is hard-wired by genetics. That's what genes are for.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Osweld
        Isn't this kind of obvious? Every human behaviour is hard-wired by genetics. That's what genes are for.
        No. Genes determine physical traits and biophysical processes, not behavior.

        If genes did determine human behavior, then what about free-will? Did my genes make me kill that person, or lie, or cheat on my spouse? Of course not.
        'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
        G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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        • #5
          Wonder what's the scientific explaination of being "furry"
          I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by The diplomat
            This study is bull****. It is made up just to "back-up" the pro-gay agenda. It is a yet another perfect example of science being used to excuse immoral behavior.
            Says the stupid creationist. Creationists shouldn't even be allowed to talk about science.

            Osweld, Human behavior doesn't come from our genes, it is influenced by them. I view the genes as making the rough shape of the "sculpture" of one's personality, and the fine points are from enviroment. For example, Saddam may have been born naturally agressive, but it took the abusive, violent relative he was raised by to turn him into a bloody tyrant.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Odin
              Says the stupid creationist. Creationists shouldn't even be allowed to talk about science.
              Evolutionists are the ones who should be banned from science. They are the ones that pervert, distort, and misuse it.
              'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
              G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by The diplomat

                If genes did determine human behavior, then what about free-will? Did my genes make me kill that person, or lie, or cheat on my spouse? Of course not.
                The brain doesn't actually think in abstract thoughts, it thinks in neurons, chemicals, and all that crap. Our thoughts are just the result of an analyse of our environment or situation - it's the way our brain fires it's chemicals around that determines what the conclusion is.

                If the human brain doesn't fall in to the category of "physical traits and biophysical processes" I don't know what does... or do you believe that we're actually a supernatural entity, merely inhabiting a human shell?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by The diplomat


                  Evolutionists are the ones who should be banned from science. They are the ones that pervert, distort, and misuse it.
                  Get your head out of the sand and read the last qoute in my sig.

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                  • #10
                    This study seems to confirm that men and women are different. Oh wait, we already knew that.

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                    • #11
                      Evolutionists are the ones who should be banned from science. They are the ones that pervert, distort, and misuse it

                      Of course it is more rational to believe that we were created from clay and spit
                      I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.

                      Asher on molly bloom

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Lincoln
                        This study seems to confirm that men and women are different. Oh wait, we already knew that.
                        Indeed, and it also confirms that homosexuals are different. We already knew that, too.

                        It's just that certain insecure religious zealots maintain it's a choice, probably because they feel attraction towards the same sex but "choose not to act on it", which also explains their pent-up hostility towards homosexuals.
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • #13
                          Hey let's not jack this thread. Asher is trying to prove here that something in his jeans, er I mean genes, that makes him the way he is. Let's stick to the point!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by The diplomat
                            This study is bull****. It is made up just to "back-up" the pro-gay agenda. It is a yet another perfect example of science being used to excuse immoral behavior.
                            pathetic troll

                            I just love that term

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                            • #15
                              Ok, this question needs to be asked...so I'll ask it.

                              If this study is true, then I have no choice to be who and what I am...so on this same line of thought, how can homosexuality be wrong (or a sin for that matter)?

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