South Africa's Dirty Little Secret

[Velociryx]

I dunno, Spiff. Beat one or two to death, here and there, and you're right.

Start turning it into a sport tho, and those kiddie rapists will get the message. I'm sure anybody with a bit of gumption could figure a way to track these bastards....find out who they are, and if they're the sort who vent their rage and hatred in this manner, I'm doubting they'd be much of a match against a pissed off and vengeful father of one of these little girls.

Yeah. I'd very much like to see that fight.

-=Vel=-

[Tripledoc]

Why do people always respond to this issue of child rape with tiresome tirades of beating the perpetrators to bloody pulp?

Will it solve anything? No.

Is it legal? No.

Will it make you feel better? No.



Will a scientific approach to the problem help you understand the issue? Yes.

Will it then be possible to combat the problem? Yes.

Will it make you feel better? Yes.

[Dinner]

I understand that South Africa has extremely high incidents of alcohol abuse. During apartied many white farmers partially paid black laborers in liquor or wine so that after 100 years a VERY LARGE portion of the black population is addicted to alcohol (not that the white population is much better but they never had institutionalized drug addiction).

That's why South Africa has one of the highest rates of fetal alcohol syndrome and I suspect many of the other social ills can be traced to this as well. Of course the unemployment rate is sky high in the black community so maybe I'd start to drink out of dispare as well.

[Velociryx]

Not *entirely* correct, Tripledoc...using your approach, while you're studiously applying the scientific method to the problem, the yahoos doing the deed are continuing to do it.

When you come up with the answer, I'm sure all the little girls no longer being raped will really, really appreciate it. The ones that continue getting that treatment while you're studying....well, too bad for them I suppose.

The beauty of vigilante justice in this particular case, you see, is that the ones getting the treatment prescribed above certainly WILL NOT be doing it again, and with continued application, word will begin to spread....giving YOU time to continue your research without sacrificing more kids. See?

-=Vel=-

[Berzerker]

I can only assume that Drugs are at the centre of this, as a sane person could not surely be so evil ????

No no No, drugs were responsible for 9/11. Btw, are you suggesting insanity would not exist if there were no "drugs"? The absence of a conscience is not insanity.

South Africa also has the world's highest rate of child rape, 60 a day -- a 400-per-cent increase in reported assaults in the past eight years. Only 5 per cent of perpetrators are convicted.

Ahem... there's one reason... The deterrant is almost non-existent. Also, this is probably a cultural and racial phenomenon... The violence and evil one group can perpetrate on another never ceases to amaze me. But as AIDS, wars and crime deplete the male population and with an ineffective legal system, women and small children have fewer male relatives around for protection. But I suspect this is largely racial, I believe even under Apartheid there were at least two competing "tribes" and the hatred they had for each other didn't disappear when blacks rose to power.

[Berzerker]

Why do people always respond to this issue of child rape with tiresome tirades of beating the perpetrators to bloody pulp?

Will it solve anything? No.

Is it legal? No.

Given the conviction rate, it should be legal. If ~50% of the scumbags who pulled this **** got their heads stomped in, the rape rate would drop like a cannonball.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
Why do people always respond to this issue of child rape with tiresome tirades of beating the perpetrators to bloody pulp?
Will it make you feel better?

A little.

[Velociryx]

DD!

Simple math. There are only a finite number of people doing this kina thing. Take one out of that population, you get less of that crime. Rinse and repeat, the rate drops.

I don't even pretend to know the mindset of these folks, but I assume that they pick their targets because they are helpless and can't fight back. No risk.

But if there's suddenly a real risk to life and limb, I'm betting these cowards wouldn't be NEARLY as game to try.

-=Vel=-

[Tripledoc]

I think Oerdin has explained some possible path towards an explanation. Of course not all alcoholics are child rapists, neither are all child rapists alcoholics. However surely the level of alcohol intake and the level of sexual abuse of children is co-related. Indeed in Greenland where there is also a high level of alcohol abuse there is also a corresponding level of child abuse.


I am not an expert on the issue, however I fail to see how this socalled 'vigilante justice' should prevent child abuse. After all if there are 60 reported cases a day then the amount of offenders would mean the culling of maybe a rather large number of people. And how is one to make sure that indeed all are guilty of the crime. Also I fail to see how the police and judiciary are not doing enough to solve the problem. Indeed the police officer interviewed in the article seems to be fairly experienced in this issue. Now, allowing for vigilante actions, would simply divert a lot of time from solving the cases to solving murder cases instead. And there is no knowlegde of how many of the perpetrators are repeat offenders and how many are simply one time offenders. then off-hand killing would hardly solve anything. Also if the terror of death should inhibit humans from doing crime, then there is in fact no litterature supporting that notion.

I find the notion that research into the issue would somehow lead to the 'sacrifice of children' as Velirex puts it preposterous. Whether someone does any research on the subject will, in the mean time, not add nor subract from the level of crime.

To the contrary people saying, and not really meaning it, that they will kill them certainly will not solve anything.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
Why do people always respond to this issue of child rape with tiresome tirades of beating the perpetrators to bloody pulp?

Will it solve anything? No.

Is it legal? No.

Will it make you feel better? No.



Will a scientific approach to the problem help you understand the issue? Yes.

Will it then be possible to combat the problem? Yes.

Will it make you feel better? Yes.

a very plausible scientific solution to reducing some crimes is to jackup the penalty. ask singapore. one of the problems w/ jacking up the penalty is ppl go all liberal on u and u get a drastically reduced conviction rate.

but I don't think thats a problem when u rape a 2 year old

[Tripledoc]

Obviously this thread has become a place where people with fascist convictions are spewing their bile.

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
(BS I don't feel like responding to snipped)South Africa has not experienced that total breakdown in order and decended into chaos, (BS I don't feel like responding to snipped)

What would you call it? I'm only sadened the aparthied government in such a mess before thier eventual fall.

[Velociryx]

Tripledoc...you may find it preposterous, but you said it yourself.

The rate is 60 a day.

While you're researching and not out there busting the heads of those doing it...the rate is....? Guesses? 60 a day? BINGO!

Research is all well and good, but that's not gonna do the first thing to solve the IMMEDIATE, 60/day problem. So...what are you gonna tell the 60 little girls that get raped tomorrow while you're researching? "Sorry, we're working on it?"

Somehow I think they'll take little comfort in that.

On the other hand, if someone, or a group of someone's turns knocking the rapists' heads into a crusade, that might get that 60/day number down a bit till you can figure out a better solution.

That's fascist?

-=Vel=-

[orange]

Unimaginable

[Sprayber]

Originally posted by Tripledoc
Obviously this thread has become a place where people with fascist convictions are spewing their bile.

So everyone that don't agree with you are fascist?



It's so easy to talk of rational approaches as long as the victims are merely someone else. Let it happen to you or yours and I think you may change your outlook. If it doesnt, then there is something seriously wrong with you. I'm not gonna even pretend to take the highground on this issue. When the goverment's justice can't or don't respond, then all you have left is what you yourself can do. It's not cool and it may not be morally right, but if you can't protect your family then you are nothing. Like Vel said, go back to studying the issue, and let those who can deal with it do what they must.