Malaysian PM spaeaks out aginst Jews!

[Sandman]

Originally posted by Ned
Since 9/11.

What, two years? That's just a handful of films. Apart from the Sum of all Fears, what other films have 'failed' to have Islamic terrorists as the enemy?

[Mordoch]

Originally posted by Keygen
I suspect he meant a more modern democracy but which one?

With the case of the US, there were not many Jews around when the US Constitution was created, you can argue they played a role, but saying they "created US democracy is rather silly."

[Tripledoc]

Presuming that in fact the Jews did control the world, then why would they do the following.

1)Have people working around the clock to dig up new cases against German industry, in order that they recompense them for slave labour.

2) Have various agencies like the Simon Wiesenthal institute hunting down nazi war criminals or exposing people with neo-nazi sympathies.

3)Constantly lobbying for socalled Holocaust institutes in various countries, for creation of holocaust memorials, for museums and so on.

4)Have movie directors such as Roman Polanski and Steven Spielberg making movies about the tragic experience of the jews. Often in a sentimentalist tone that placates the modern corrupt anglo-saxonized culture.

(All these points above have been made by the Jewish Scholar Norman Finkeslteinwhois the author of the book 'The Holocaust Industry'.)

5)Have a man with quite questionable credentials, Sharon, promising to bring down fire and brimstone on anyone anywhere who are threatening the interests of the state of Israel. What threatening behavior is is of course up to the conscience of the individual

6)Have Mossad agenst conducting assasinations in countires as far as way as Norway, and infiltrating Universities undercover in order to expose anti-semitist behaviour there.

7)Spend millions of dollars on influencing the American government into supporting the state of Israel. As if the United States made the decision on supporting Israel, not on moral grounds, but rather as a result of Machevellian policy (!)

8)Having crazy people, quite possibly from the Jewish Defense League, making death threats against Amerian University professors who speak on the behalf of the Palestinians.

In fact all these things point toward the fact that the Jews have absolutely no power over the world. If they had any power whatsoever I would think it would work in slightly more secret or clever fashion. However it doesn't.

But then some people say that: 'Look at the neo-conservatives in Washington, like Perle, Wolfowitz and so on. they are all jews!'. Maybe, but do they have any power? No, they are finished. The whole Iraq business is a total mess, a loser issue. The self-admiring 'tough guys', personified by Schwarzenegger, an Austrian, are moving in now. Some senators are even calling for an amendement that should allow non-naturals to become president.

To cut a long storty short if the Jews had any power over the world, which they never had, they are losing it. In fact I think that to be quite tragic, since (never mind Sharon and the neo-cons) they are on average a force of moderation. Now is Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld?
In fact this Mahatnir person should be attacking the Anglo-Saxons, if he found the world an unfair place.

[GePap]

On the question of anti-semitism:

I view there as being two forms; number one is really not ant-semitism by itself, it is only normal human xenophobia aimed at a jew. All human societies are xenophobic, though at different intensities. Strangers, people who look different, speak differently and have dfferent norms are not rusted equally.

The there is proper anti-semitism, which is a product of history. To hate the Jews, you must think the Jew matter or are "special" in some way. For some Hindu or Chinese peasant a jew is nothing more or less than anyone else who is funny looking speak differently and so forth. Only in MOnotheistic societies is this form of Anti-semitism exhibited, and the reaosn is simple: both of the universalist Monotheistic movements, Christianity and Islam, spring by varying degrees from the particualristic Monotheistic tradition of the Jews. As such, both of these movements were born in relation to the Jews, and thus the question of the Jews exists. Now, and I have said this before, history shows that Christianity as a whole had a much more vivid history with the Jews, and why not? Christianity was begun by a jew, it's first followers were jews, and it spread into a society (Roman) were Jews were not particularly popular (damn them and their rebellions). Islam being more separated by space and time paid less attention to the jews, which is why the record of anti-semitism is much lower. Certainly first class anti-semitism existed forever (jews were not muslims, acted differenty, how could they be treated equally?), but the second type was far weaker in islam for mst of its history. The hisotry of the last 100 years changed that. I do think Israel and its creation and actions play an important role in the growth of second-type antisemitism in Islamic lands (including lands with almost no jews like SE Asia). BUt rapid demographic change, repressive regime and political stagnation, and the throes of modern technology and ideas all contribute as well.

[Gatekeeper]

Ned:

I defend the media from the perspective that I've had as an official member of it for more than five years now. Whenever I see someone going on about how "liberal" or "right-wing" the media is, I generally just let out a long sigh because at my place of employment (a trans-national media company), we've been accused of both (and more than once). In news biz, that's a good thing — if we're pissing off the folks with agendas, then we're doing something right and doing our readers a service.

Gatekeeper

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by yavoon


why isnt the bad behvaior of all those muslims feeding global hatred of muslims?

obviously it does, it cuts both ways.

But when was the last time you saw a Jew portrayed as a villain in a movie?

[Jaguar]

My favorite part:

They invented socialism, communism, human rights and democracy so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong, so that they can enjoy equal rights with others.

Ah, so it only appears to be wrong.

Also, I wasn't aware that we invented any of the four things listed.

[Mordoch]

Originally posted by Alexander's Horse
But when was the last time you saw a Jew portrayed as a villain in a movie?

Given the small percentage of the overall population that is Jewish you actually wouldn't expect this to occur that often. One example that comes fairly close is in "Star Wars: The Phantom Menace", Senator Palpatine may not be actually described as Jewish, but as a Jewish actor plays the part, he looks very Jewish and the camera even plays up the prominence of his nose in one scene in an attempt to make him seem more sinister.

A clear example of Jews being portrayed as villians would be in "The Passion" by Mel Gibson.

Why he might not have portrayed as really being a villian, the movie "Casino" featured Rothstein as a Jewish gangster who did do some nasty things during the course of movie.

[Az]

But when was the last time you saw a Jew portrayed as a villain in a movie?

Well, actually, that happens a lot. In Egyptian movies, that is.

[Ned]

What about the owner of Anikin Skywalker's mother?

[TheStinger]

Originally posted by Mordoch

Given the small percentage of the overall population that is Jewish you actually wouldn't expect this to occur that often. One example that comes fairly close is in "Star Wars: The Phantom Menace", Senator Palpatine may not be actually described as Jewish, but as a Jewish actor plays the part, he looks very Jewish and the camera even plays up the prominence of his nose in one scene in an attempt to make him seem more sinister.

A clear example of Jews being portrayed as villians would be in "The Passion" by Mel Gibson.

Why he might not have portrayed as really being a villian, the movie "Casino" featured Rothstein as a Jewish gangster who did do some nasty things during the course of movie.

Right and the dark side of the force is Judaism and the good side is Christianity.

Jabba the Hut is clearly a rabbi.

The death Star is the arc of the covenant.

Darth Vader is obviously Noah.

[Alexander's Horse]

[Kropotkin]

That film is filled with stereotypes. Haven't thought about Palpatine as a jew though. More on Azazels line there.

[TheStinger]

Of course its filled with steryotypes, its about the battle between good and evil.

[Kropotkin]

Ok then, national stereotypes.