Do you think manifest destiny is just another way of saying unjustifiable aggression?

[Vesayen]

<--American who mostly likes the U.S.

One thing that always pissed me off about U.S. history... Now its all in the past so it dosent really matter, but its always pissed me off when people have tried to call U.S. aggresion something other then what it was, immoral aggression.

Thoughts?

[DinoDoc]

Re: Do you think manifest destiny is just another way of saying unjustifiable aggression?

Originally posted by Vesayen
but its always pissed me off when people have tried to call U.S. aggresion something other then what it was, immoral aggression.

Move to the UK then and you won't have to deal with it because that was how the colonies got off the ground.

[JohnT]

If countries and societies aren't allowed to expand, then how are they to develop in the first place? To expand, to grow is to fulfill a biological imperative that is felt from the bacteria on up - is it not then surprising that our societies behave like they're biological creations?

To deny the ability to grow, evolve, adapt, and yes, to die, is to invite stagnation and eventual disaster. As the same goes for species, so it goes for societies and civilizations.

[Dis]

yes to the original title question

The United States is an evil country. If the quality of living wasn't the best in the world, I'd move out

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by JohnT
If countries and societies aren't allowed to expand, then how are they to develop in the first place? To expand, to grow is to fulfill a biological imperative that is felt from the bacteria on up - is it not then surprising that our societies behave like they're biological creations?

To deny the ability to grow, evolve, adapt, and yes, to die, is to invite stagnation and eventual disaster. As the same goes for species, so it goes for societies and civilizations.

So its okay to kill native americans and steal their land, and the land of mexico and other colonial powers because we need breathing room to expand?

Who else said that? Oh yes, Hitler in Mien Kempf.

[Ted Striker]

man this topic is soo freshman in college trying to reconcile his new world view with his old one

let's talk about lesbians or something

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
let's talk about lesbians or something

That would be more interesting.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Ted Striker
man this topic is soo freshman in college trying to reconcile his new world view with his old one

let's talk about lesbians or something

If the gay community is ever to grow, they need to kick out the evil straight people! Especially here in Utah.

-Tassadar
"Fabulous Destiny"

[JohnT]

Was it OK for humanity to originally expand from Africa to Asia, Europe, N. America etc? Was it OK for Ivan the Great to create Russia by invading Siberia? Was it OK for the Native Americans themselves to destroy other Native Americans for their own material gain?

Is it right for a mold to fight another mold for dominance? Is it right for African crocodiles to hoard dwindling water supplies from the wilderbeast? Is it immoral for ants to fight each other for prime living space? Is it immoral for trees to grow, blocking the lights of more fragile plants that desperately need it?

Is it right to proselytize Islam in Utah? Is it right to ask people to join the Democratic party, even if they're Greens? Is it right to even try to change somebody's opinion?

To complain about "Manifest Destiny" is to whine about a specific example of something that happens to all things. Life... systems... organizations... all try to grow and they will attempt to do so at the expense of the other.

Such is the world we evolved from. Sorry it makes you feel uncomfortable.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by JohnT
Is it right to proselytize Islam in Utah?

Yeah, but we speak of it as it is: Doing gods will.

[Ted Striker]

Yo there is a version of the newer Last of the Mohicans, where the Last Mohican talks about the white man moving in and how everybody's world is about to change and he kinda says the same thing that JohnT just did

I can't remember where you get it, but it's cut from the mainstream distrubution

[Ted Striker]

Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar



"Fabulous Destiny"

[Vesayen]

Originally posted by JohnT
Was it OK for humanity to originally expand from Africa to Asia, Europe, N. America etc? Was it OK for Ivan the Great to create Russia by invading Siberia? Was it OK for the Native Americans themselves to destroy other Native Americans for their own material gain?

Is it right for a mold to fight another mold for dominance? Is it right for African crocodiles to hoard dwindling water supplies from the wilderbeast? Is it immoral for ants to fight each other for prime living space? Is it immoral for trees to grow, blocking the lights of more fragile plants that desperately need it?

Is it right to proselytize Islam in Utah? Is it right to ask people to join the Democratic party, even if they're Greens? Is it right to even try to change somebody's opinion?

To complain about "Manifest Destiny" is to whine about a specific example of something that happens to all things. Life... systems... organizations... all try to grow and they will attempt to do so at the expense of the other.

Such is the world we evolved from. Sorry it makes you feel uncomfortable.

Okay, so were all animals and murder is fine-I'll be at your house in about 20 minutes to stab you in the face...... oh wait, no I wont because I'm not immoral.

The point is that just because people have been barbaric in the past dosent justify it for the future.

[Dis]

you're right.

and we no longer practice manifest destiny, so I fail to see the problem. Yes we were barbaric in the 19th and 20th century. But we're beyond that now.

you don't see us conquering other small nations now days do you?

[Vesayen]

I just dont like us lying about our past