Bush Unveils Measures to Weaken Cuba's Castro

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
No soldier fights for a dictator when he knows that the "conquering army" is there to "liberate" the country from dictatorship.

Hmmm, North Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Panama, even tiny Grenada, all fought the U.S. despite "the 'conquering army' [being] there to 'liberate' the country from dictatorship." Cuba does not want to be an American colony. That's why they made the revolution. Castro wasn't forced upon them, he overthrew Batista, and then the people marched, a half million in the streets demanding Castro take the Presidency. Uria resigned, and Castro became leader of Cuba.

As to the American people, what it does support, overwhelmingly, is a free and democratic Cuba.

Perhaps so, but they are also overwhelmingly opposed to the embargo, which means that support for an invasion only exists in a narrow spectrum of ultra-rightists like yourself.

[Q Classic]

soldiers fight for a dictator when they are brainwashed enough.

kim jong il has quite an army, and his people have been indoctrinated against america for fifty years. you think they're just going to roll over when bush comes a-knockin'?

cuba underwent a revolution because the overwhelming majority of people there, at the time, didn't like the rich who were getting richer off american products while they themselves were getting poorer. also helps that at the time, the pro-american leader was also a dictator.

[Ned]

Originally posted by Q Cubed
you do realize, ned, that i've never been a communist, nor someone who appreciates it, particularly because my relatives happen to live under one of its incarnations and that my brothers' godparents fled the cuban incarnation itself, and that your condescending remarks there are quite insulting.

Q Cubed, I meant no disrepect to you. But much of this thread was devoted to praising the glories of the Castro regime and how much he has brought the people of Cuba. My sarcasm on "reconstruction" was directed to them, not to you.

That said, I know Castro has degraded that country to its point of collapse. We almost owe a duty to the people of Cuba to come to their rescue. I would support not only liberation but reconstruction.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
That said, I know Castro has degraded that country to its point of collapse. We almost owe a duty to the people of Cuba to come to their rescue.

Oh, do you? When was the last time you were in Cuba?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Oh, do you? When was the last time you were in Cuba?

When were you there?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
When were you there?

Can't tell you.

[DinoDoc]

Damn! I thought I had you for a minute.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Ned


Bush said, in Spanish, "Cuba shall soon be free." I simply asked how he would do that? Tightening the embargo will not work, just as you pointed out. I think another Bay of Pigs is a non starter. This left the Noriega option.

I will collect your $1,000 in Havana while we both enjoy a few rounds at the newly re-opened casinos.

BUsh also said we would soon have Osama bin Laden more than a year ago..lyet he hasn;t mentioned that name in months.

So before you ask youeself: how will he do it? Ask yourself: is this anything more than vote-pandering speechmaking?

The answer is: NO.

[Ned]

The point on Osama bin Laden also helps prove my point. Bush does not idly say that he has decided that a regime has got to do something or else. He gave the Taliban a final warning. Ditto Saddam. He gave Castro a chance. Castro thumbed his nose at Bush. Bush has now decided to remove Castro.

He will.

[Ned]

Che, if I ever see you in Cuba, I will probably be visiting you in jail there after you have been captured defending one of the last bastions of communism in the world. I hardly think that you would join me for a few beers celebrating the liberation of the Cuban people by George Bush.

[JCG]

Oh yeah....the Cubans WOULD fight a US Invasion, certainly...even if the US could basically bomb and/or occupy every single mile in the island, lots will resist and it won't be a very nice sight...Castro may be far from the "best" possible leader/regime for the Cubans, but certainly (at least somewhat rightly) they think he's better than whatever Bush tries to force on them by military pressure this late in the game...

[uh Clem]

However thrilled the Cubans will be at the first sight of their Liberators pales when compared to how they'll be feeling when it sinks in that they'll be expected to reimburse their benefactors.

But then, going about the world doing good doesn't come cheap. Dropping that annoying free health care, among other things, will help the Cubans get their priorities in better order.

[Ramo]

That said, I know Castro has degraded that country to its point of collapse. We almost owe a duty to the people of Cuba to come to their rescue.

Yeah, back in the good old Bautista days the people knew their places as *****es to American businesses/mobsters. He doesn't even have the common decency to kill everyone who disagrees with him. The bastard!

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Ramo
He doesn't even have the common decency to kill everyone who disagrees with him. The bastard!

Yeah, he only throws them in jail for decades at a time.

[SlowwHand]

Originally posted by Ned
Che, if I ever see you in Cuba, I will probably be visiting you in jail there after you have been captured defending one of the last bastions of communism in the world. I hardly think that you would join me for a few beers celebrating the liberation of the Cuban people by George Bush.

I will.