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[mindseye]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger Hybrid rice developed by a Chinese agricultural scientist ...

I dont' know much about the Chinese agricultural biotech scene, but it seems to be happening.

Just in the April of this year, Chinese scientists decoded the genetic secrets of rice by successfully creating its genome map.

Hey, that wasn't innovation, that was following a process created elsewhere. Another exhibit for my case.

I don't think anybody here on 'Poly has the kind of knowledge to make such a sweeping judgement like yours.

Doesn't stop some of us from making one.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by DanS
The rice was a Japanese strain.

A Draft Sequence of the Rice Genome (Oryza sativa L. ssp. indica)

Yup, as I said, you have mistaken it for something else.

[mindseye]

I can't vouch for other areas, but I know firsthand that there's a lot of experiments going on in the fine arts, or at least in traditional Chinese painting.

Oh, you mean after thousands of years, someone has finally painted something other than a bird on a twig, stylized galloping horses, or a goldfish with gauzy fins?

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by DanS
China was part of the consortium that did it last year. They did 1 chromosome. Taiwan also did 1 chromosome.

By comparison, Japan did 6 chromosomes and the US did 3 chromosomes.

Seeing that rice has something like 46 pairs of chromosomes, your numbers seem a bit off.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by mindseye

I can't vouch for other areas, but I know firsthand that there's a lot of experiments going on in the fine arts, or at least in traditional Chinese painting.

Oh, you mean after thousands of years, someone has finally painted something other than a bird on a twig, stylized galloping horses, or a goldfish with gauzy fins?

My view is, during thousands of years, most of the so called Western innovations were tried and discarded in many areas.

[Drake Tungsten]

Rice has 12 chromosomes, not 46. And it appears that the Chinese did sequence a rice genome, but it was only a sub-species common in China. Others had already sequenced other sub-species of rice, making the Chinese accomplishment hella lame.

http://www.bio-itworld.com/news/050702_report263.html

[DanS]

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[Drake Tungsten]

Looks like a tie.

http://www.nature.com/nsu/020402/020402-6.html

[Kuciwalker]

Plus, here's an analogy. Isaac Newton develops calculus and finds the derivative of x^2. Another person uses calculus to find the derivative of x^3. Doesn't make that other person particularly innovative or special.

[mindseye]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger
My view is, during thousands of years, most of the so called Western innovations were tried and discarded in many areas.

This, from a guy who just posted "I don't think anybody here on 'Poly has the kind of knowledge to make such a sweeping judgement"?

so called Western innovations

Why do Chinese, when being defensive, so often fall back on the phrase "so-called"? I see this all the time. By "so-called" are you saying that "most" western innovations were that in name only? Good luck supporting that!

Anyway, I'll take "trying and discarding" over "unable to try" any day of the week.

[DanS]

Is there a Chinese phrase equating to something like "stealing face"?

[mindseye]

Originally posted by DanS
Is there a Chinese phrase equating to something like "stealing face"?

Ha! I've only heard of "giving" and "losing" face, but my Chinese is not very good.

[:) Smiley]

When one is still behind in the technological race, it's more efficient to use exisiting knowledge than to push into new fields.

One opportunity to move to the lead however, would be in human cloning and stem cell research, where dimwitted US officials have made it artificially hard for American scientists.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Urban Ranger


Hm.

Hybrid rice developed by a Chinese agricultural scientist doubled the yield of production per unit area for rice. Just in the April of this year, Chinese scientists decoded the genetic secrets of rice by successfully creating its genome map.

I don't think anybody here on 'Poly has the kind of knowledge to make such a sweeping judgement like yours.

But I do.

[DaShi]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Japan bests China once again. Hooray!

Japanese agriculture is amazing. They get so much food out of that little island, it's staggering.