Chinese to Launch Manned Spaceflight Next Week

[mindseye]

Originally posted by Alinestra Covelia
As I've said before, China will never be taken seriously by other nations until it develops two mainstays:

1. A World Cup champion team.

And

2. A world renowned porn star.

My personal yardstick is the appearance of a Chinese Nina Hagen.

[mindseye]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
What kind of fool looks to the U.S. to find the bleeding edge in train technology?

Uh, I dunno, maybe the kind of fool that would look to the People's Republic of China for the bleeding edge of space technology?

[Kuciwalker]

I cannot imagine why so many are so unclear on this. As we've discussed around here before, it's quite clearly a Chinese pride thing. Even the Chinese government is packaging it that way. There is no question from anyone that the space program is intended Number One as a jewel in China's development crown. You should not underestimate the importance of "face" in Chinese culture.

So "face" is important. It's worthless. If they aren't going to do anything more with it, it is just stupid pride.

[DanS]

Hey DaShi! I do the same. For some of my students, it appears not so much that they they can do it, but are not used to it. It's more like they are unable. This really startled me when I first encountered it.

I guess I just have this romantic notion that China could be as energetic as the US was when we were rising. From 1870-1914, much of the insanely great scientific stuff was happening in the US. Really, the attitude was present well before the foundation of the US, with Ben Franklin.

China has the scale to test out a lot of these scientific advances. But maybe they just aren't ready for it. Maybe we'll continue to be the testbed for things like the internet. Maybe India will surpass China in this regard.

[mindseye]

Originally posted by skywalker
So "face" is important. It's worthless.

Got it. On behalf of the World's Citizens, thank you for settling that.

By the way, I'm not sure many of your compatriots share your views on national pride being "stupid".

[mindseye]

Originally posted by DanS
I guess I just have this romantic notion that China could be as energetic as the US was when we were rising. From 1870-1914, much of the insanely great scientific stuff was happening in the US.

Well, who knows what will happen here next? What's happening now was certainly hard to predict.

In the past, China has had periods of rich artistic and scientific innovation. My problem is that I cannot determine if what I see now is a relatively recent phenomena, or if it is a culture feature thousands of years old. Were the previous periods of startling innovation due to a small number of people at the right place at the right time? A temporary cultural, social, historical, or political phenomena? Or has some change happened to the Chinese mindset? I don't have an answer or even a good guess on this point.

Maybe India will surpass China in this regard.

That would not surprise me.

[DanS]

I like your way of questioning and observing.

As for India, I have been very impressed with the professional Indians that I have come across. Of course, there is a lot of selection bias going on for me. They just need to change their system/society slightly so that it works, on the whole.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by DaShi
There's very little innovation or originality in China. All there modern things are designed by other countries.

Hm.

Hybrid rice developed by a Chinese agricultural scientist doubled the yield of production per unit area for rice. Just in the April of this year, Chinese scientists decoded the genetic secrets of rice by successfully creating its genome map.

I don't think anybody here on 'Poly has the kind of knowledge to make such a sweeping judgement like yours.

[Drake Tungsten]

I don't think anybody here on 'Poly has the kind of knowledge to make such a sweeping judgement like yours.

Your obviously forgetting about MtG.

[DanS]

Just in the April of this year, Chinese scientists decoded the genetic secrets of rice by successfully creating its genome map.

It had already been done and was available for public download.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by mindseye
[q] Originally posted by Tingkai (my emphasis added)
As for lacking originality, imagination, or innovation, I stand by my comments. I have closely studied this for more than a couple of years now, and talked about it a great deal with others living here. If you look across a broad scope of Chinese life, including, literature, film, television, fine arts, technology, marketing and advertising, business, architecture, fashion, music, and social behavior from national down to individual scale, there is a consistant and striking lack of imagination and originality in comparison to westerners.

I can't vouch for other areas, but I know firsthand that there's a lot of experiments going on in the fine arts, or at least in traditional Chinese painting.

Attempting new things is good, but you can't just make the attempts for the sake of making these attempts, or you end up with crap instead.

[Drake Tungsten]

It had already been done and was available for public download.

How long ago? If they managed to replicate a Western achievement in the same decade, that would still be a step up for them.

[DanS]

China was part of the consortium that did it last year. They did 1 chromosome. Taiwan also did 1 chromosome.

By comparison, Japan did 6 chromosomes and the US did 3 chromosomes. Of course, the shotgun method of sequencing is American technology and process. The rice was a Japanese strain. A good deal of the spade work was done by Syngenta (Swiss) and Monsanto (US).

http://rgp.dna.affrc.go.jp/rgp/Dec18_NEWS.html

[Drake Tungsten]

Japan bests China once again. Hooray!

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by DanS
It had already been done.

Afraid you have mistaken it for something else. The Chinese is the first to sequence the rice genome.