Schwarzenneger molested women, apologizes

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Who raped anyone? Clinton? Yeah, right. He's not the type.

Difference between Arnie story and Davis story. Women have come forward publicaly to accues Arnie.

And why did these women come foward now? I believe it was due to the LA Time article. Though coming foward does not mean you are telling the truth. Right now their is not enough time to figure out who is telling the truth and who is lieing and who is making a little thing more then what it really was.

That is the problem. I wish the Times has run this story along with the Davis story about this abuse weeks ago so we could all see the chacter of both men and figure out what is fact and what is false, instead of this last min smear campagin.

[Saint Marcus]

However, I will still vote for Arnie later today because he acknowledged his bad behavior and has apologized.

hypocrite.

Arnie only apologised for part of the allegations. not that more serious charges brought against him.

You made your partisan view quite clear in this thread. You condemn Clinton and condone Arnold. How convenient that Clinton happends to be a democrat, and Arnold a republican.

sad.

[Ned]

Well, what is your opinion about women who goes into a hotel room at the invitation of a man and the man closes the door. Has she given consent? I am sure that this is the Kobe defense. But I am also sure that you have argued here strongly that a woman can change her mind in the middle of intercourse, and the man has to stop.

My God, Che, you really have a double-standard yourself if you are now defending Clinton on this basis.

[Saint Marcus]

Ned: can you describe the Kobe case for me? It hasn't been covered here in Europe.

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus




hypocrite.

Arnie only apologised for part of the allegations. not that more serious charges brought against him.

You made your partisan view quite clear in this thread. You condemn Clinton and condone Arnold. How convenient that Clinton happends to be a democrat, and Arnold a republican.

sad.

The problem is that we do not know if the more serious allegations are true are not, and we wont know untill days after the election when it is too late. Because of the last min nature of these claims I ignored them, because there is no way for me to know if they are true or false in the span of a few days.

[Ned]

I think Arnie has apologized for the true allegations. There have been allegations by women that are false because others were there at the time and support Arnie's version.

I think you have me wrong. It's not that I have a double standard on sexual misbehavior, it's that I tend to believe Arnie because he has never lied to us to our knowledge. The question with Clinton is whether he ever told the truth.

[Saint Marcus]

The problem is that we do not know if the more serious allegations are true are not, and we wont know untill days after the election when it is too late. Because of the last min nature of these claims I ignored them, because there is no way for me to know if they are true or false in the span of a few days.

I'm not dishing at Arnie supporters here. Just people who think Clinton should have been impeached for unproven allegations, while Arnie should be elected dispite of unproven allegations. People like Ned here.

[Ned]

BTW, Saint Marcus, when are you moving to the US? You could get a driver's license and vote in California while you are waiting to become a citizen.

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by Saint Marcus


I'm not dishing at Arnie supporters here. Just people who think Clinton should have been impeached for unproven allegations, while Arnie should be elected dispite of unproven allegations. People like Ned here.

As I recall he was never impeached for rape or other sex crimes. He was impeached for lying under oath in about his relation ship with Monoca.

[Saint Marcus]

I think Arnie has apologized for the true allegations. There have been allegations by women that are false because others were there at the time and support Arnie's version.

There is as much, if not more, proof for the allegations against Arnie than against Bill.

I think you have me wrong. It's not that I have a double standard on sexual misbehavior, it's that I tend to believe Arnie because he has never lied to us to our knowledge. The question with Clinton is whether he ever told the truth.

So because of Clinton lieing about his affair with Monica, you doubt his honesty about other things? And just because we don't yet know if Arnold lied about things in the same matter (mainly because Arnold isn't a politician and the true skeletons are just coming out of the closet now) he's more credible?

Razor thin argument, Ned.

[Ned]

Saint Marcus, Clinton was impeached for lying under oath. He was not convicted because all the Democrats felt that the allegations were not "High Crimes and Misdemeanors." Many Democrats thought that Clinton should be tried criminally after he left office. The independent counsel was going to do just that, but Clinton settled just prior to leaving office with a fine and a law license suspension. The court in which he commited the perjury found him in contempt and fined him. The Supreme Court disbarred him.

So, just drop your unsupported and factually inaccurate contentions about Clinton's innocence.

[Saint Marcus]

BTW, Saint Marcus, when are you moving to the US? You could get a driver's license and vote in California while you are waiting to become a citizen.

When? Someday, perhaps. And my Dutch licence already gives me the possibility to drive a car, legally.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Ned
My God, Che, you really have a double-standard yourself if you are now defending Clinton on this basis.

Hardly. I just have fun watching Repugs twist themelves into knots justifying their support of a mysogynist while damning and supporting the impeachment of a sex addict.

[chequita guevara]

Bah, Clinton was impeached for being a Democrat.

[Saint Marcus]

So, just drop your unsupported and factually inaccurate contentions about Clinton's innocence.

I'm not saying he did not lie about Monica. Course he did. And I believe rightly so, it's a private matter.

That doesn't mean he raped women, Ned.

Also, once again, there were Republicans too who voted against the whole thing, in favor of Clinton. Not just the Democrats. Hell, did the Democrats even have a majority back then?