Quarterback versus the Pass "Rush"

[monolith94]

"How so?"

Just look at the guy, you can tell from his haircut that he's a schmuck. And a putz, too.

[Drake Tungsten]

Tom Jackson kicks ass.

Well, sort of...

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Another interesting thing is if you see the actual clip of the show, Rush was talking to Tom Jackson, a black man, and he didn't show that he was offended at all. In fact he nodded when Rush said the media was trying to promote black QBs and coaches.

That doesn't necesarily mean anything. Experienced journalists will always nod their heads during an interview or discussion. It's basic body language designed to keep the other person talking.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
On another thread someone made a great point... people were outraged when others boycotted the Dixie Chicks for making their anti-President comments, because of freedom of speech. Some of these same people asked ABC to fire Rush. Ironic, no?

No.

There's a big difference between saying "I don't like this guy" (a true statement) and "The only reason he got the job is because he is black and there is a secret conspiracy to make black QBs look good and to give them more credit then they deserve."

Limburgh's comments were racist. Instead of judging McNabb on his ability (of lack of it), Limburgh said black quarterbacks don't deserve the credit that they receive.

[Berzerker]

Tingkai, if Rush's comments were so "racist", I'd think his comments made to the face of a black man would garner some negative reaction, not nods of agreement even if the nods are just facilitators of continued discussion.

Geez you guys, Rush made 2 points:

1) McNabb isn't as good as portrayed in the sports media
2) Some in the sports media have hyped him because they wanted a black QB to succeed.

Other than the possible racism of those in the sports media who are guilty (if Rush is right), where is this "racism"?

[Berzerker]

There's a big difference between saying "I don't like this guy" (a true statement)

Limbaugh doesn't like him?

and "The only reason he got the job is because he is black and there is a secret conspiracy to make black QBs look good and to give them more credit then they deserve."

Limbaugh said McNabb didn't deserve the job of QB? No, he said McNabb is a good QB but that he was hyped beyond his value to the team and that the defense (which has quite a few blacks on it ) was the strength of the team.

Limbaugh's comments were racist. Instead of judging McNabb on his ability (of lack of it), Limburgh said black quarterbacks don't deserve the credit that they receive.

He did judge him on his ability and he didn't say black QB's get credit they don't deserve, he said McNabb gets credit he doesn't deserve.

If a black boxing analyst pointed out how almost every new white boxer who shows some promise gets hyped because he's white and there are so few really good white heavyweights, would that be racist? Of course not...

[duke o' york]

Who would be so dumb as to hire Rush Limbaugh as a "colour commentator"?

Er, anyone happen to know when Culpepper's going to be back?

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Berzerker
Limbaugh doesn't like him?

The bit about not liking someone was a reference to the Dixie Chicks' comments mentioned by Imran. Try to follow the plot Bezerker

Originally posted by Berzerker
Limbaugh said McNabb didn't deserve the job of QB? No, he said McNabb is a good QB but that he was hyped beyond his value to the team and that the defense (which has quite a few blacks on it ) was the strength of the team.
He did judge him on his ability and he didn't say black QB's get credit they don't deserve, he said McNabb gets credit he doesn't deserve.

According to Limbaugh, the media have a conspiracy to promote Black QBs, McNabb is a Black QB , therefore McNabb is over-rated. That's not a true judgement of McNabb's ability.

Limbaugh looked at McNabb and saw a black Quarterback, not an individual athlete. Limbaugh did not look at McNabb's stats or those non-measurable individual abilities. Limbaugh cast judgement on the basis of McNabb's skin colour.

This is not a judgement of McNabb's ability. This is a racist attack against a black QB.

[Jac de Molay]

Originally posted by Berzerker
1) McNabb isn't as good as portrayed in the sports media
2) Some in the sports media have hyped him because they wanted a black QB to succeed.

Other than the possible racism of those in the sports media who are guilty (if Rush is right), where is this "racism"?

Yeah, I agree with this one. I don't think it's any more racist than the same football commentators who lament the lack of black coaches in the NFL, or wonder why coaches like Art Shell or Ray Rhodes being fired is part of some conspiracy by " The Man".

It sounds like two separate comments and doesn't disparage Macnabb directly.

[Giant_Squid]

'Tis interesting that Rush did not particularly attack any black people per se, but because he was attacking the *system* of pointing out race, and since that system is often associated with people who oppose racism, his comment was automatically construed as racist.

On the other hand, I can't feel sorry for him. If people suspect you're a Neo-Nazi, you stay away from making any comments that are derogatory and involve Jews. If people suspect you're racist, as basically everyone suspects Limbaugh is, you stay away from comments that are derogatory and involve blacks, even if a logical person can eventually figure out it's not racist.

And the REAL disturbing part about this incident: that football commentary is an important enough political issue to have the leading (?) Democratic candidate make a statement on it.

[Sloth]

I can't understand you guys. I make a very funny thread about Warner's wife and her desire to trade her husband...and I get ZERo answers. And now you want to discuss at lenght this "he said, he said" thing about some unknown (to me) commenting why McNabb is overrated..who cares!!!

j/k of course

[Theben]

"Another interesting thing is if you see the actual clip of the show, Rush was talking to Tom Jackson, a black man, and he didn't show that he was offended at all. In fact he nodded when Rush said the media was trying to promote black QBs and coaches."

Tom Jackson's a professional. He won't say anything while the cameras are rolling. It doesn't mean he didn't want to.
Bet he wound up sleeping on the couch that night, though.

"Geez you guys, Rush made 2 points:

1) McNabb isn't as good as portrayed in the sports media
2) Some in the sports media have hyped him because they wanted a black QB to succeed."

That's possible, but Rush didn't offer anything as evidence. And considering it's Rush, he had a burden of proof, b/c:

1)Rush attacks the "liberal media" a lot in his diatribes;
2)He also attacks minorities a lot.

"On the other hand, I can't feel sorry for him. If people suspect you're a Neo-Nazi, you stay away from making any comments that are derogatory and involve Jews. If people suspect you're racist, as basically everyone suspects Limbaugh is, you stay away from comments that are derogatory and involve blacks, even if a logical person can eventually figure out it's not racist."

What I've tried to say, only written more clearly.

[Theben]

Originally posted by Sloth
I can't understand you guys. I make a very funny thread about Warner's wife and her desire to trade her husband...and I get ZERo answers.

I'm sure it was VERY clever.

[Japher]

Several points of mine.

1. If a famous black guy said "Strahan is an overrated CB, people just want to see a white guy be good at defending the ball", we wouldn't have a thread on it.
2. What this black guy would say is bigotted and doesn't need to be said, but is true.
3. How what Rush said is being interpretted in biggoted fashion and desn't need to blown out of proportion. Unless your a biggoted racist...
4. Rush did not say that he doesn't think McNabb is bad because he is black, he said he is overrated and because he is balck was given many more chances than he deserves by certain people in the NFL. If anything he called these "certain people" in the NFL bigots and racist.

[Tingkai]

Have you guys never heard of Warren Moon? Clearly Limbaugh hasn't. I guarantee that sports writers have.

So exactly why would any sports writer feel a need to promote black QB when there has already been a great one?

Limbaugh was playing the race card, trying to suggest that black QB get it easy when there's no proof and no reason for that to happen.