Watch TV or Go to Jail

[Dr Strangelove]

Our local PBS channel has aired some Channel One programs. They're really pretty good.

[Japher]

What about all them crazes over Christmas gifts every year that turn parents into killing machines? They'd practically kill each other to get their kid the new Rub-Me-Elmo" or "Crab Apple Kid" or whatever... Talk about advertising having a bad effect on people...

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Ming




Great response there... did it take you a few minutes to come up with it

Find some "real" scientific study to prove the point... good luck...

Does it matter? I don't like ads and am not going to watch them. If someone tried to make me watch them every morning, I would refuse. I couldn't care less if you think people should be forced to watch them, just 'cause you're in the buisness of it.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Starchild
Ming shows a remarkable ability to bend to authority.

The kids walked out because they had objections to television. It's the equivalent of walking out of a biology on dissection day because you have moral problems with cutting up a frog. It's something that gets sorted out in the school, not juvie.

I have never said that I agree with the punishment.
That was over the limit in my book as well...

I am however defending the right for schools to use Channel One as an educational tool. And if a "FEW" commericals come with it... no big deal.

I agree with you that the kids should have been treated the same as if they had walked out on dissecting a frog.

[Sava]

Originally posted by Ming


Prove it... instead of just making stuff up, show some real life proof of your claims.

(Oh, and what did you think of Jag bag Thursday today... some great stuff)

Here for starters...

UAE University study suggests ban on cigarette advertisements in media
Al Ain |By Aftab Kazmi, Bureau Chief | 29-07-2003
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Cigarettes should be included in the category of 'dangerous and addictive drugs' to restrict their sale and advertisement, suggests a recent study carried out by the UAE University (UAEU).

The study also recommended enactment of appropriate legislation to support the measure and increase the tax on tobacco products from the current 100 per cent to 200 per cent.

It also suggested to ban advertisement of cigarettes in media and public places seen by children and youth as it feared a constant increase in young smokers despite several control measures taken by the UAE authorities.

Referring to a report of the Ministry of Health issued in October last year, the study said some 14.3 per cent male and 2.9 per cent female teenagers are smokers.

The research was done by three students of the university, Shatha Mohammed Al Suwaidi, Jamila Saif Al Ketbi and Kulaithem Mohammed Al Mazrooei from the Faculty of Medicines and Health Sciences at the UAEU.

Peter Barss and Dr Fatima Al Maskari from the Department of Community Medicine supervised the students' work and investigation. The team sought help from the teachers and students of Al Ain Educational Zone in a cross-sectional survey in which Grade 10 students of several schools were interviewed through a questionnaire.

The questionnaire had 18 questions to collect information for analysing the students attitude, knowledge, and opinion to prevent smoking.

Some 360 female students were included in the study out of which 242 were UAE nationals and 115 from other Arab countries. The information thus collected revealed that 51 per cent of them have a smoker in their family, and 26 per cent have a smoking father.

Fifty per cent students, who have a smoker in their families, perceived a smoker as someone who lacks confidence. Fifty-two per cent girls from the non-smoking families perceived smokers as losers. Sixty-one per cent girls, who have no smokers in their families, said they will not marry a smoker. This opinion was also found among 38 per cent girls who belonged to smoking families.

The researchers also found flaws in public awareness as 50 per cent girls received almost no education about smoking in schools.

Only 53 per cent girls felt that it is extremely difficult to give up this habit. Girls who had a smoker in their families were found more aware. They said it is extremely difficult to quit smoking.

Most of the girls (63 per cent) believed that peer pressure is the main reason for acquiring the habit. More girls from smoking families said it is extremely harmful. Nearly all girls knew that smoking causes heart diseases and lung cancer.

However, 60 per cent did not know that smoking causes other cancers. Seventy per cent did not know that passive smoking causes health problems for children including ear and chest infections and asthma.

During the survey students also recommended many control measures to prevent smoking such as restricting cigarette sales to those aged 21 years, banning cigarette advertisements in all forms of media, and training health professionals on counselling for smoking cessation.

The research also recommended increased educational activities for children, youth and parents in schools and in media about addictiveness and its effects on health.

I'll look for more studies. But advertising has been linked to eating disorders in women as well. If advertisements didn't have any effect on people, IT WOULDN'T BE A HUGE INDUSTRY! To say that ads don't have a negative effect is wrong.

http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/news.asp?ArticleID=93784

[Japher]

I know it's not a study or anything, but if it wasn't for this ad:



I wouldn't have bought the game, ergo I would have spent more time with my wife, ego I would have a better relationship with her, ergo I wouldn't have found this site, ergo I would actually find better ways to waste time at work, ergo I would own this company now!!!

Advertising is evil

[Ming]

Originally posted by Osweld
Does it matter? I don't like ads and am not going to watch them. If someone tried to make me watch them every morning, I would refuse. I couldn't care less if you think people should be forced to watch them, just 'cause you're in the buisness of it.

Like most smart people... you don't like ads. You probably have learned the ability to tune "out" the hundreds of ads flashed at you as you do something as simple as walk down the street... you probably have a pop up blocker on your computer as well...

As far as being in school... part of the deal is you do what you are told to do... or suffer the penality. So if you want to get a lower grade... or sit in the corner... or go to the principals office... fine by me. Sending them to JUVE was over the edge.

[Giovanni Wine]

Why can't be school be funded by the state, and the state only.. like in any other part of the world?

The US school system already receive way too much fundings from the government that it hardly needs any extra funds.

Saluti

[Ming]

Uhhh... sava... they don't allow smoking ads on Channel One...

But back to your "study"... The study has more to do with the danger of smoking... not the ads. One of the findings of the study is that ads for cigs shouldn't be allowed... but because smoking is bad... NOT THE ADS.

So yeah... some products are bad.

And to your other point... The industry is huge, because advertising can work. That doesn't make it bad. Blame the PRODUCTS for having NEGATIVE IMPACT on people's lives... NOT THE ADVERTISING OF LEGAL PRODUCTS

[Sava]

I'm not saying all advertising is bad... but some of it is. Sure, that channel one thing might have standards... but they are still trying to sell stuff. Personally, I don't think the school day should devote any time to selling kids stuff.

[Ming]

Advertising can't make a person do something they wouldn't normally do. You don't go out and buy a BMW just because you saw an ad. It might make somebody by a BMW over a Lexus... but it's not going to make somebody buy one vs a YUGO.

Good advertising informs... and let's people know about new products... and why one product in a categoy you buy is better than another. If you wouldn't buy a product in that category in the first place, an ad isn't going to make you do so.

Schools already have ADs... this is no different. The pop machine with the Pepsi Logo is an ad... The kids themselves are walking ads with tee shirts and designer cloths. There are already commercial messages in and around ALL schools.

Channel One is an excellent educational tool. These days, many kids won't open a book, but will watch tv. Using it as an education tool is smart. A few commercials doesn't negate that.

[Bereta_Eder]

Free public quality education for all!

That's the point isn't it?

[General Ludd]

Originally posted by Ming
Advertising can't make a person do something they wouldn't normally do. You don't go out and buy a BMW just because you saw an ad. It might make somebody by a BMW over a Lexus... but it's not going to make somebody buy one vs a YUGO.

Pogs. Pokemon. Tamagatchi.

You must not do alot of childrens advertising, geting them to buy useless things that they would otherwise never think about is what it's all about.

Alot of advertising directed at adults is, too. But I'm sure it has a much lower success rate.

EDIT: Just thought about iMacs, maybe not that much lower afterall.

Good advertising informs... and let's people know about new products... and why one product in a categoy you buy is better than another. If you wouldn't buy a product in that category in the first place, an ad isn't going to make you do so.

Yes, it's about informing the consumer... with catchy songs and dancing monkeys.

[realpolitic]

Originally posted by Giovanni Wine
Why can't be school be funded by the state, and the state only.. like in any other part of the world?

The US school system already receive way too much fundings from the government that it hardly needs any extra funds.

Saluti

We can't afford it because we need jails to discipline kids who don't watch commercials.

[Ming]

Originally posted by Osweld
Pogs. Pokemon. Tamagatchi.
You must not do alot of childrens advertising, geting them to buy useless things that they would otherwise never think about is what it's all about.

They would have bought or wanted "some" kind of toy... advertising only directs them to a brand/product... not a category. Kids want toys... and that isn't going to change. So you are incorrect.

And your assumption is wrong... I've done my share of kids advertising.