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  • #31
    Originally posted by Asher
    I dare you to touch a P4 running w/o a heatsink and tell me it's not extreme.
    Do you mean in the microsecond before it burns out?
    We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
    If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
    Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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    • #32
      intel has onboard circuitry which kills speed in exchange for saving the chip.

      and yes, extreme is just extremely overused these days.
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      • #33
        I forgot that, would you test it with your own cpu though?
        We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
        If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
        Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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        • #34
          And in the meantime, all you really need is 1.5 GHz...
          "I work in IT so I'd be buggered without a computer" - Words of wisdom from Provost Harrison
          "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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          • #35
            no. but with yours, definitely.
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            • #36
              Isn't it time for a name change? Why is it called 'Pentium 4'? Shouldn't the Pentium 2 have been the Hexium (or something) and Petuim 3 the 'Octium'?

              BTW, I need more ram. Does anyone know what memory costs these days? I currently have 256MB - would I be better to buy another 256MB, or scrap the 256MB chip and go straight to 2x512Mb? (It is only a puny 1.6GHz....)

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              • #37
                marketing. pentium was such a smash success...

                and for ram, www.pricewatch.com
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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Q Cubed
                  no. but with yours, definitely.

                  I dont have a P4 so I cant test it

                  Are you saying you dont have faith in Intel products?
                  We need seperate human-only games for MP/PBEM that dont include the over-simplifications required to have a good AI
                  If any man be thirsty, let him come unto me and drink. Vampire 7:37
                  Just one old soldiers opinion. E Tenebris Lux. Pax quaeritur bello.

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                  • #39
                    eXtreme!!!!!

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                    • #40
                      no, i'm saying i love my computer too much to even think about anything remotely dangerous for her.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Wraith
                        That's the inclusive L3, right?
                        That's what was originally thought, but there's still some confusion. The L1 and L2 are most definitely inclusive, but for the L3 the news articles from IDF have all said it will amount to a total of 2.5MB of cache on the chip (L1 + L2 = 512KB, L3 = 2MB).
                        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                        Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Rogan Josh
                          Isn't it time for a name change? Why is it called 'Pentium 4'? Shouldn't the Pentium 2 have been the Hexium (or something) and Petuim 3 the 'Octium'?
                          They wanted to avoid the "deviated Septium" jokes that would have sprung up around the chip now called the Pentium III.
                          No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                          • #43
                            --"Isn't it time for a name change?"

                            They'll get around to it eventually. I think Prescott is getting a new naming scheme.

                            --"but for the L3 the news articles from IDF have all said it will amount to a total of 2.5MB of cache on the chip"

                            Yeah, but they said pretty much the same thing about the Xeons.

                            This just seems like a weird move for Intel right now. The P4E is going to eat into their Xeon market on the workstation side. It's also going to cause them marketing problems when Prescott comes out (especially if the L3 does make a difference). I just don't see any strategic sense to selling repackaged Xeons to the enthusiast market like this.

                            Oh, well. Maybe they're having more problems with their .09 process than expected.

                            Wraith
                            "Getting caught is the mother of invention."
                            -- Robert Byrne

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                            • #44
                              90nm yields have improved faster than any other generation, according to the charts and graphs Intel showed yesterday.

                              They also claimed the Pentium 4 EE will be the "fastest chip released this year".

                              They also said the 3.2GHz will be the "first" EE...

                              What's happened is the high end will be the Pentium 4 EE, mainstream will be Pentium 4, and low end will be Celeron.

                              For AMD, Athlon 64 FX is highend (priced comparatively to the P4 EE, supposedly), Athlon 64 mainstream, and Athlon XP low-end.
                              "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
                              Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

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                              • #45
                                I can confirm that while the P4 has some safety mechanisms for running too hot, eventually a P4 will burn out at the higher temperature. It took mine about 3 months, I guess.
                                I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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