Do we Americans have to let everything linger? (9th Circuit Court Delays Recall)

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Jack_www
The same thing can happen with touch screen voting, and a unknow bug could cause problems.

That is my biggest fear, since they are abandoning a paper record. Since the companies which make these machines are, by and large, owned by Republicans, and we've seen time and again recently that the GOP doesn't care about the will of the electorate, we couls see a lot of Republicans elected even when polls show them slipping in support. After all, there will be no record to prove otherwise.

[GePap]

Well, then lets test general intelligence by having all counties have the same voting machines, or at least machines with statistically equal chances of mistakes...

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by GePap


After the 2002 elections the State of California agreed that having punch-card in some counties and not all violated equal protection due to a greater chance of error inherent in the punch-card system and agreed to hold the next election without punch-cards. This whole sorry mess came out of nowhere, but the case that has to be made is that the deal california signed on to, saying the next elections will be held without punch-cards, is invalid for the Recall but valid for the elections in March...which brings forward the question of why?

You could argue that this meant the 2004 election, because not one thought this through ahead of time that any other election before that could be held and not delayed. When California agreed to this that is what they meant in sprit if not the letter of the law. So the voters have to suffer through 4 more months of Davis because California did not think everything through and the ACLU is using a loop hole to delay the election?

[Dinner]

The state agreed to change systems by 2004 but never admited that the punch system had any problems. It is well with in its right to continue the current election as mandated by the state's constitution and change the machines next year as they previously agreed.

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by Oerdin


The difference I saw was a 2% vs 1% error rate and nearly all errors were caused by idiots who were to stupid to follow clearly written directs (I.E. please punch one and only one candidate for govnor). If these people are two stupid to understand they can't vote two or more times in a single election then they deserve to be ignored.

[C0ckney]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Uh, yeah, that's exactly what I'm saynig.

Or maybe, the Republican controled county made sure that the voting machines in white districts were in proper working order but weren't quite so vigilant with the districts that were more likely to vote Democratic.

i think my suggestion makes more sense than your one

[Japher]

some would call the recall a loophole.

counties are responsible for holding the voting, if a county didn't bother to upgrade their machines then f-them...

Also, from the sounds of it, it is not the error of the machine that is the problems but stupid people...

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by Jack_www
Oh please give me a break.

Okay, which arm?

Here are the facts. Duval county is controled by the Republicans. The machines in the white districts were properly maintained and cleaned. The machines in the Black districts were not. How could that happen, again, and again, and again, and again, basically for so many elections that the election machines were totally filled with chads?

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


Okay, which arm?

Here are the facts. Duval county is controled by the Republicans. The machines in the white districts were properly maintained and cleaned. The machines in the Black districts were not. How could that happen, again, and again, and again, and again, basically for so many elections that the election machines were totally filled with chads?

I would not assume that there is racism involved or trying to effect the results of an election. Maybe in those districts people thought someone cleaned the machines, maybe those areas were poorer and did not have the money, maybe someone forgot. I could come up with many reasons other then what you say for the difference. And we both dont have proof to back up any one of them.

[Dinner]

BTW of the six counties which are still using punch cards half are majority Democrat (places like LA county) and half are majority Republican (places like San Diego county). The difference isn't nearly as big as some people are claiming.

[Japher]

Maybe they were too lazy to clean the machines and too dumb too realize that dirty machines would mess with the voting...

[GePap]

Originally posted by Japher
some would call the recall a loophole.

counties are responsible for holding the voting, if a county didn't bother to upgrade their machines then f-them...

Also, from the sounds of it, it is not the error of the machine that is the problems but stupid people...

When an expert on voting systems turns up, then the relative error rate of these machines can be discussed. Though it brings up the question of why, if this system works so well, anyone spent the money to upgrade to other systems, I mean, why fix what ins't broken? And yet now only the poor distrcist have these machines...I wonder why?

As for the counties..well, they would hold the elections in 2004 as well, and Cali. agreed to upgrade all these machines.

As for Oerdin's post:

That to me seems the only plausble arguement against this decision, that these are special circumstances and that the state constitution should take precedent in this case to any deal agreed upon by the state.

[Jack_www]

Originally posted by GePap


When an expert on voting systems turns up, then the relative error rate of these machines can be discussed. Though it brings up the question of why, if this system works so well, anyone spent the money to upgrade to other systems, I mean, why fix what ins't broken? And yet now only the poor distrcist have these machines...I wonder why?

As for the counties..well, they would hold the elections in 2004 as well, and Cali. agreed to upgrade all these machines.

Maybe because they have less money and less workers to replace the system faster then other areas. I would not assume racism or a Republican plot. Calfornia is a Democrat controlled state.

I dont think that punch card voting is all that bad. ANd many people are saying that with the new system their could be problems because a lot of people wont know how to use it and will be use to the punch card system. Also many counties say that using punch card system is better and it is a tried and true system where as the touch screen voting their are many unknows.

[Dinner]

The main reason for changing the voting system was to settle lawsuites filed by leftist groups after the Presidential elections. The leftists claimed the system was biased against them and it is very very difficult to prove a system is not biased. Please note the leftist groups like the ACLU never claimed they could prove the system was biased they simply demanded the state prove it wasn't.

The state agreed to spend truck loads of money on new electronic machines just to avoid the appearance of a bias.

[Japher]

Democrats can be racist too.