Bush's speech last night.

[Spiffor]

The Diplomat:
How do 3000 dead threaten your very survival as a 300.000.000 inhab country ?

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by DanS
No, it wasn't. Or at least I hope it wasn't, since that's a piss poor reason not to go to war. It is unprincipled.

No it isn't. First off, it was a campaign promise of Shrub's, not to send troops in anywhere they didn't have an exit plan. Second, the complete lack of a plan has really mucked things up for the Iraqi people.

[The diplomat]

Originally posted by Elden
The most amazing thing about him is that some people are stupid enougth to believe him.

The most amazing thing to me is that some people are still clueless about the seriousness of the war on terror and prefer petty partisan attacks against Bush while brave American soldiers are fighting for our freedom.

He wouldn't need to beg Europe for money he doesn't deserve if he didn't give out tax cuts to multi-millionaires for no reason.

You do realize that it was an across the board tax cut which means that low income and middle class Americans got tax cuts too, not just the "multi-millionaires".

[oedo]

Originally posted by The diplomat


Laugh all you want, but your reaction is exactly why Dems will lose 2004. Even with 9-11 and 3,000 dead Americans, you still don't realize how dangerous terrorism is.

but what has the war on Iraq to do with this?

[MikeH]

Originally posted by DanS


No, it wasn't. Or at least I hope it wasn't, since that's a piss poor reason not to go to war. It is unprincipled.

I'd have supported a war which was supported by the UN undertaken by a genuine international coallition of forces willing to work towards rebuilding Iraq.

[Elden]

Originally posted by MrFun
Where did you get this statistic?


Onion?

I forget where but it wasn't the Onion. If it were from the onion it would be more like 90 troops a week.

[Immortal Wombat]

I agree with MikeH

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by MrFun

Where did you get this statistic?

Onion?

I don't know if nine a week is the actual number, but I heard on NPR this morning that the death toll was slightly more than one soldier a day has been killed in Iraq since the "end of major combat operations." Most of them have not been killed in combat, however, but I don't know how they are recording deaths to mines and bombs and such.

[Alexander's Horse]

Originally posted by The diplomat


Even with 9-11 and 3,000 dead Americans, you still don't realize how dangerous terrorism is.

Really? Ever been personally at risk from a credible terrorist threat? I have.

[chequita guevara]

Originally posted by The diplomat
The most amazing thing to me is that some people are still clueless about the seriousness of the war on terror and prefer petty partisan attacks against Bush while brave American soldiers are fighting for our freedom.

What about the petty partisan attacks by Republicans against Clinton while our soldiers were in Bosnia and Kosovo. Or can you just dish it out but can't take it back?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


I don't know if nine a week is the actual number, but I heard on NPR this morning that the death toll was slightly more than one soldier a day has been killed in Iraq since the "end of major combat operations." Most of them have not been killed in combat, however, but I don't know how they are recording deaths to mines and bombs and such.

I guess I thought the post-war casualties were a lot lower than they are . . . .

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by The diplomat
The most amazing thing to me is that some people are still clueless about the seriousness of the war on terror and prefer petty partisan attacks against Bush while brave American soldiers are fighting for our freedom.

I don't think it is "petty partisan" to attack Bush for:
- the utter lack of post-war plan
- the failed diplomacy that turned most countries, and the whole world public opinion against you, one mere year after the historical sympathy siplays in the wake of Sept 11
- the huge costs of the war, and the resulting weakened economy (although most economic problems should be blamed on the Civil Society and not on Bush)

You're lucky to be in Democracy, unlike WW2 USSR. Your leader is objectively incompetent, so change him, and get a competent leader at last. With a leader who actually knows what he is doing, the war on terror will only get better.

[Elden]

Originally posted by The diplomat
The most amazing thing to me is that some people are still clueless about the seriousness of the war on terror and prefer petty partisan attacks against Bush while brave American soldiers are fighting for our freedom.

Ohh that would be your (not our I'm not American) freedom to steal oil from countries who did not threaten your freedom in any way, shape or form.

Originally posted by The diplomat
You do realize that it was an across the board tax cut which means that low income and middle class Americans got tax cuts too, not just the "multi-millionaires".

Across the board to Bush meaning Millionaires - Billionaires.

[MikeH]

Originally posted by MrFun


I guess I thought the post-war casualties were a lot lower than they are . . . .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3019552.stm

[MrFun]

Wow -- interesting link, MikeH.