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Originally posted by BeBro
Isn´t the US proposing a new UN resolution right now
Isn´t the US proposing a new UN resolution right now
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and who said we dont listen to other country's demands?
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin Buber -
"In general it does not mean war, but in the discussion leading up to the passage of 1441 it was understood that it meant war."
Yes. But where does it say it is for the US to decide whether war is justified opr not?“Now we declare… that the law-making power or the first and real effective source of law is the people or the body of citizens or the prevailing part of the people according to its election or its will expressed in general convention by vote, commanding or deciding that something be done or omitted in regard to human civil acts under penalty or temporal punishment….” (Marsilius of Padua, „Defensor Pacis“, AD 1324)Comment
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"Give us money. But don't think this gives you the right to have a say in how we run things"
12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio RegumComment
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Once again, we didnt create "this mess" Iraq was a "mess" for the entire period Saddam was in power. Hardly anyone in Iraq would go back to the situation as it was before the coalition went in. There are still plenty of problems. And naturally theres going to be give and take about control before the resolution is passed. But dont expect even the French to claim that the US created "this mess" - even they dont have the gall to assert that.Originally posted by Chemical Ollie
On the other hand, the the arrogant Bush admin created this mess against the will of the World Community.
And Russia seems to moving away from the French position."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Originally posted by BeBro
I always thought you are a realist....
I make no bones about my moral support for [terrorist] organizations. - chegitz guevara
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Well they didnt give it to the US, cause they were afraid the US would use it as Casus Belli if Saddam said "we destroyed 1100 metric tonnes of VX on july 10", and we had evidence theyd destroyed 900 tonnes on July 12.Originally posted by HershOstropoler
"In general it does not mean war, but in the discussion leading up to the passage of 1441 it was understood that it meant war."
Yes. But where does it say it is for the US to decide whether war is justified opr not?
But it was assumed that if Saddam gave a flagrantly false declaration, that meant he was not in compliance, and so the UNSC would authorize war. Had that not been the case the US would NOT have agreed to that wording for 1441. And again, the french in their arguments against war did NOT argue that Saddam was not non-compliant with 1441. They also did NOT argue that serious consequences did not mean war. Instead they IGNORED 1441, and argued that war was not justified on general grounds, as if 1441 did not exist."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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In other words, you went to war without the SC's authorisation.12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio RegumComment
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So, where are all those CNB weapons again?12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
Stadtluft Macht Frei
Killing it is the new killing it
Ultima Ratio RegumComment
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They give us money, they'll certainly get a say in how the money is spent - i beleive the plan is for a UN controlled development fund. Their will be a UN command - but the UN commander will be an American - this is the same arrangement as the Australians used in East Timor. The only dispute is about control over the political process. The current draft gives the UN only a little say. There will probably be compromise, but not giving the UN full control.Originally posted by KrazyHorse
"Give us money. But don't think this gives you the right to have a say in how we run things"
France wont like that. But we dont need French troops. Or French money for that matter. All we need is for France to not veto the resolution. And for that theyre not going to get full UN control."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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We went to war with the authorization implicit in 1441. Clearly 1441 meant war if there was non-compliance. There WAS non-compliance, and no on on the UNSC disputed that. Ergo we went to war based on 1441. (not to mention the earlier resolutions, the ceasefire, etc) Is my interpretation wrong? certainly no state introduced a UNSC resolution saying that it was.Originally posted by KrazyHorse
In other words, you went to war without the SC's authorisation."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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and where do you think they are?Originally posted by KrazyHorse
So, where are all those CNB weapons again?"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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I don't see why other countries should jump in now that Dubya sees his election slipping down the drain, and Iraq already slowly ending up on the same embarrasment scale as Somalia. If they expect other countries troops to come in and be under an US flag they are fairly deluded. What you'd want is a UN peacekeeping force under the command of a muslim country such as Turkey or Pakistan.
As for money to US companies, this is what i can find in todays Independent (prolly online as well, but can't be arsed looking.
Halliburton - $1.7Bn in contracts so far through it Brown and Root subsidiary for work on oilfields, support at military bases and logistical backup for intelligence officers. 95% of total political contibutions 99-02 ($710k) went to Republicans.
Bechtel - $680M so far for rebuilding, Could rise to $20Bn. Just under 60% of $1.3M of political donations to Republicans.
SSAMarine - $62.6M to open Umm Qasar port. 80% of donations to Republicans.
DynCorp - $50M for first year advising new Iraqi government. 70% of donations to Republicans.
RTI International - $7.9M to promote Iraqi participation in rebuilding. $3,691 to Democrats, nothing to Republicans
Abt - $10M to $43.8M for public health work. $4900 to Democrats, nothing to Republicans.Comment
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yeah guys in the oil business donate to republicans, and people who do public health and social service consulting donate to Democrats - and people in the heavy construction business donate both ways. This is surprising??Originally posted by lightblue
I don't see why other countries should jump in now that Dubya sees his election slipping down the drain, and Iraq already slowly ending up on the same embarrasment scale as Somalia. If they expect other countries troops to come in and be under an US flag they are fairly deluded. What you'd want is a UN peacekeeping force under the command of a muslim country such as Turkey or Pakistan.
As for money to US companies, this is what i can find in todays Independent (prolly online as well, but can't be arsed looking.
Halliburton - $1.7Bn in contracts so far through it Brown and Root subsidiary for work on oilfields, support at military bases and logistical backup for intelligence officers. 95% of total political contibutions 99-02 ($710k) went to Republicans.
Bechtel - $680M so far for rebuilding, Could rise to $20Bn. Just under 60% of $1.3M of political donations to Republicans.
SSAMarine - $62.6M to open Umm Qasar port. 80% of donations to Republicans.
DynCorp - $50M for first year advising new Iraqi government. 70% of donations to Republicans.
RTI International - $7.9M to promote Iraqi participation in rebuilding. $3,691 to Democrats, nothing to Republicans
Abt - $10M to $43.8M for public health work. $4900 to Democrats, nothing to Republicans.
"A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Originally posted by lightblue
I What you'd want is a UN peacekeeping force under the command of a muslim country such as Turkey or Pakistan.
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Youve got to be kidding, right?
Turkish commander on arriving: Ok boys, welcome back to the loving arms of the Ottoman empire. Now isnt everybody happy? especially you kurds.
Pakistani commander - Oh, no WE the Pakistani govt doesnt support Al Qaeeda, oh no,......
There may be Turks and Pakis in the mix, but certainly not in overall command."A person cannot approach the divine by reaching beyond the human. To become human, is what this individual person, has been created for.” Martin BuberComment
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Not necessarily, the amounts and percentages are though. It does seem that they bought their contracts (Bechtel was also the primary contractor in the Boston Big Dig project which USAiD (the body going over the contracts) admin Andrew Nastios headed).
And it is not surprising. Disgraceful perhaps... companies subsidizing political parties and then meing rewarded for it just leaves this nasty taste in my mouth. Anyone seen the second series of 24 by the way?Comment
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