Terrorism in Texas. Twenty SUVs Damaged in Texas Attack.

[The Templar]

Originally posted by Verto


How is this not an act of terrorism? Because instead of two buildings being knocked down, or an embassy, it was 'just' a few dozen SUVs?

And suppose I decided to burn down the building of an extremist environmentalist group (after hours, to make sure no one was harmed ) - would that be an act of terrorism, or just vandalism?

If my neighbors spraypaint 'screw Pataki' on my building, it's vandalism. If they beat the ass of all non-Catholics on the block to scare us off, that's terrorism.

Terroism is about scaring people to enforce a political agenda. ELF vandalizes to make a political statement. Call me when they release that virus or whatever .

[Jaguar]

I find environmentalists to be frequently ignorant and obnoxious ("oh no, the logging companies are preventing forest fires with selective cutting, thus ruining the natural cycles of delicate ecosystems") However, this is a better cause than usual for ELF. I'd give the perps the average punishment for vandalism of this sort.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Terroism is about scaring people to enforce a political agenda. ELF vandalizes to make a political statement.

Isn't this a fine line based on these facts? It may not be 'violent', but it just may be to scare those who buy SUVs, that they will be vandalized. Maybe it isn't 'terrorism', but it probably is close.

[Nubclear]

Under this definition:

ter·ror·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm)
n.
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

it is terrorism, but then again so is the US invasion of Iraq too. And the US invasion of Afghanistan.

[Dis]

I don't understand what the crime is.

It certainly isn't terrorism.

SUV's should be illegal.

[:) Smiley]

The real way to stop SUVs though is to make them into an anti-status symbol. So, talk s*** about SUVs and help add to the image that SUV drivers are sexually frustrated people.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by Sava
that's not true... eventually, those vehicles would have been scrapped, melted down, and recycled... using polluting fossil fuels... by destroying them, they did prevent the pollution from the projected life of the vehicle. The pollution from the fire would have been released at the end of the vehicle's life, regardless.

Recycling metal is worthwhile, as it take an enormous amount of energy to assemble metal of the same density from ores, and then to smelt it. Of course Detroit stopped using metal in their cares several years ago. The plastics that make up most of these vehicles are not generally economic to recycle from a resource standpoint, only from a waste standpoint.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by MRT144
Osweld, how about rebuilding the warehouse? does that cause even more pollution than normal? probably does, dolt.

Good point, especially the dolt at the end. There is a time and a place for ad hominyms, and this is that time and place.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by MRT144
i can cope with the big picture by doing little things. By not being a nihilistic enviromentalretard i feel that i can make a difference in every day life.

kill yourself osweld. itll help save the planet.

Promise not to recycle him!

[Sikander]

Originally posted by The Templar


If my neighbors spraypaint 'screw Pataki' on my building, it's vandalism. If they beat the ass of all non-Catholics on the block to scare us off, that's terrorism.

Terroism is about scaring people to enforce a political agenda. ELF vandalizes to make a political statement. Call me when they release that virus or whatever .

Enforce is the wrong term here, as a lot of terrorists aren't enforcing anything, but trying to gain political leverage where they have little. In the case of these a$$holes they live in a democratic republic but can't make their case, so they are relying on political violence to get the attention they so desperately want and don't deserve.

I'm not so quick to dismiss political violence so easily. Teenagers scratching their initials on things, or trashing something is vandalism, destruction for its own sake. It is used as a means of intimidation in this case, which I find just as serious as if the mob torched a few vehicles on a lot whose owner refused to pay protection. While the act doesn't exactly imply that they are willing to use force bodily against those who refuse to knuckle under to their demands, it does show that they are quite willing to violate the rights of anyone who doesn't agree with their agenda. Escalation from this willingness to ignore the rights of others is dangerous, and seems to be the trend.