EU full of Picky Eaters

[yavoon]

more protectionism.

[Chemical Ollie]

This thread has grown loooonnngg!

Spiffor, real feta is made of sheep's milk, not goat's milk as far as I know. At least on Cyprus where I went more then any other Greek location. France is already full of disgusting goat cheese, so why would you even need to import it? It taste nothing like feta anyway.

By the way, feta is similar to the Swedish slang for female genitals. You figure the rest of the story out - Let's eat some feta tonight!

And to go back somewhat earlier: He said WIENER, huhu, huhu huhuhu!

[Dinner]

There is no end to this stupidity. Just think In addition to the items I meantioned before Bologna, Vienna Sausages, London broil, Irish roast, Danish Ham... Anything with a place name could be copy righted. It doesn't have to stop with European names either . I can think of many food stuffs from the Middle East, India, and East Asia which have place names in their name.

I'll say it again these EU protectionists are trying to confuse consumers and attempting to prevent consumers from comparision shopping between like items. Their sole purpose is to drive up prices and harm consumers.

[GePap]

Well, the article does mention several non-EU states that whish to back this legislation.

Again, some of these claims are valid. Most of thoise you just mentioned Oerdin aren't really valid: who makes their living making pure Vienna Sausages? (I didn;t really even see them in vienna), or who is a top maker of London broil? (the question makes no sense). So it is not ANY place name.

[Napoleon I]

First of all, the claim that terms such as Feta and Parma have entered into common use in the English language to describe a style is simply incorrect. In fact, a quick consultation with Webster's dictionary revealed that Feta is:

a white moderately hard and crumbly Greek cheese made from sheep's or goat's milk and cured in brine

As for the principle let me give a down to earth example. Lets say, the forum crowd knows that Oerdin's posts are well-written and informative. "Oerdin's post" might even become a common phrase to describe such posts coming from anybody. However, if I publish a book, called "Oerdin's quotes from Apolyton" it would have to contain only posts by Oerdin himself, in order to accuratelly tell the buyer what he is buying. Of course, in a title like "Making posts like Oerdin" Oerdin would not be a protected trademark, opening the door wide open to products such as "Chilean Champagne", "Kentucky Feta Cheese", while simply "Champagne", or simply "Feta" would be confined to France and Greece, respectively.

[Kuciwalker]

The "greek" can mean that the style originated in Greece.

You have southern fried chicken. The definition could be something like "blah blah southern chicken blah blah". That doesn't mean it was made in the south.

[Napoleon I]

Southern is general geographic term that is applicable only in specific conditions (like US, where people have an idea that southern fried chicken is styled after American south. The name would not make much sense in India, Russia or Brazil, therefore it obviously means a style. There is no particular place called "South", it is at best an ill defined regional characteristic (Maryland ?, Florida ?, Missouri ?, Alabama ?). Parma on the other hand is a particular place, so is Greece, and so is Champagne.

[August Borms]

I hoep this doesn't th affect the price of Rocky mountain oysters

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Oerdin
There is no end to this stupidity. Just think In addition to the items I meantioned before Bologna, Vienna Sausages, London broil, Irish roast, Danish Ham... Anything with a place name could be copy righted.

What's a 'London broil'? It ain't British that's for sure. Broil is a term used in American English, but not British English.There is a difference between Irish Stew and say a local Irish cheese, such as:

http://www.durruscheese.com/farmhouse_irish_cheese_history.htm

or Cashel Blue.

As there is a difference between a bakewell tart and a Bakewell Tart- buy a mass produced one, then eat the genuine article. Although the bakewell and cheddar battles have been lost, alas....

Anyways, the Americans sure are touchy about their liquor:

'Time to talk turkey. United States company Austin Nichols has lodged new objections to a Queensland winery’s Bush Turkey port trademark application. Nichols cited a statutory declaration from an Australian distributor who claimed customers could mistake the port for Austin’s Wild Turkey bourbon.'

http://www.ipaustralia.gov.au/ipprofessor/c/archived_news_clippings/clippings220102-280102.htm#_Hlk536593029

http://www.mttamborinewinery.com.au/page11.html

The bush turkey is a native bird of North Australia. The Queensland manufacturers have politely told the Americans where to put their claim (something to do with a koala's arse, I expect...)

I have eaten very well in America- especially Washington State and California. Cheers to Ivar's in Seattle and the Stinking Rose in San Francisco. And yes, Oerdin, I think Californian producers reserve their better wines for local or American consumption- we were fortunate to get some very good bottles from a Californian vintners. We asked if they were a local product, and she said they didn't sell them out of state,
so either there or the vineyard were the only places to buy.

Here's to sourdough bread and cioppino, and feta, khoubz and baba ghanoush.

And GePap- canned dolmas! You heathen!!!!

[The Mad Monk]

Going back to the exercise with Feta I presented earlier, what's the impact on the individual consumer who knows what proper Feta is, such as Spiffor?

[Napoleon I]

As I see it, the impact will be mostly on consumers that don't have prior knowledge about how a product is made, but are going on the basis of reputation. In your example with Feta, the demand for "Feta" produced in Greece will rise, supply is relatively limited, therefore the price of authentic Feta will rise sharply.
IMHO that is exactly what the EU is trying to accomplish. Those producers that made a name for a product from a certain region, and persevered to stay in that region over centuries will be rewarded.

[St Leo]

Originally posted by skywalker
Let's see if it violates international copyright laws. If so, you can't do it.

I don't see how using the traditional name for a product violates copyright laws, though.

Contrary to "intellectual property" propaganda, trademarks (and patents) have very little in common with copyrights. This discussion is about trademarks and not copyrights.

[HershOstropoler]

Originally posted by Oerdin
There is no end to this stupidity. Just think In addition to the items I meantioned before Bologna, Vienna Sausages, London broil, Irish roast, Danish Ham... Anything with a place name could be copy righted.

For the 3rd time, it's not a copyright, it's a geographical indication.

Now let's clarify what regulation 2081/92 actually says.

Art 2 para 2 lit a)

(a) designation of origin: means the name of a region, a specific place or, in exceptional cases, a country, used to describe an agricultural product or a foodstuff:
- originating in that region, specific place or country, and
- the quality or characteristics of which are essentially or exclusively due to a particular geographical environment with its inherent natural and human factors, and the production, processing and preparation of which take place in the defined geographical area;

Art 3 para 1

1. Names that have become generic may not be registered.
For the purposes of this Regulation, a 'name that has become generic` means the name of an agricultural product or a foodstuff which, although it relates to the place or the region where this product or foodstuff was originally produced or marketed, has become the common name of an agricultural product or a foodstuff. ...

So "Wiener" has nothing to do with geographic environment, and it's a generic name. Spaghetti Bolognese, the same. Danish ham, no idea. Feta, disputable.

"I'll say it again these EU protectionists are trying to confuse consumers and attempting to prevent consumers from comparision shopping between like items. Their sole purpose is to drive up prices and harm consumers. "

So you are confused when there is no longer danish Feta? A little episode we had here was about Gorgonzola (GI or trademark): An austrian producer made Österzola, they had to change it to Österkron. Didn't hurt them because the product is good.

As for driving up prices: Yes, if demand concentrates on the GI product. That's the point of offering that opportunity to regional producers.

[The Mad Monk]

It may drive up prices; it may also drive up production in the region in question, possibly sacrificing quality in the process.

[DaShi]

Please, this is easily resolved in America. We'll just call champagne Freedom Wine. Parma ham will become Freedom ham. Feta=Freedom Cheese. Problem solved.