Why do East Asians still hold grudges against Japan?

[Q Classic]

Haven't you ever heard the phrase "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"?

More simply put, do you know what hypocrisy is?

of course. but because china has bloody hands, do you honestly expect all of china to forgive japan for its atrocities? korea?

you're expecting things that are impossible for most humans to do from an entire population. hell, jesus didn't even come from that part of the world.

[Drake Tungsten]

but because china has bloody hands, do you honestly expect all of china to forgive japan for its atrocities? korea?

No, I don't expect the Chinese or Koreans to forgive Japan. I know they won't. It still pisses me off, however, especially in the Chinese case. I get sick of the constant *****ing about Japanese atrocities when the Chinese have the bloodiest hands in the region.

[Q Classic]

as for what china did to korea, you seem to think most koreans have this lovey-dovey relationship with china.

pfft. most koreans think that they're better than the chinese. besides, china has never occupied all of korea; japan has. china never sought to exterminate koreans as a people. japan has. why do you think there's more hate centered on japan?

[Q Classic]

No, I don't expect the Chinese or Koreans do forgive Japan. I know they won't. It still pisses me off, however, especially in the Chinese case. I get sick of the constant *****ing about Japanese atrocities when the Chinese have the bloodiest hands in the region.

they'll ***** about it because they can. you ought to know that it's far easier to cast the thrown outside the house than to throw it inside.

[Drake Tungsten]

why do you think there's more hate centered on japan?

Racism, combined with a hatred of Japan that has been passed on for centuries. It's the same reason that the Japanese hate Koreans but don't really mind the Chinese.

[Q Classic]

racism, which has only been most recently and brutally enforced by the spot of mutual displeasure between 1905 and 1945.

wait another century. if japan accepts what it did, and once korea's reunited the spot of trouble will vanish from most people's minds.

[Drake Tungsten]

if japan accepts what it did, and once korea's reunited the spot of trouble will vanish from most people's minds.

I doubt it, but I hope you're right.

[CerberusIV]

My personal view is that many of the actions of the Japanese military from the early 1930's through to 1945 were unacceptable and amply justify national repentance. However if there was ever an opportunity to do something about it the initiative really had to come from the USA as occupying power in the decade after 1945. The fact that they didn't has many causes, not least the Korean War and the rise of the PRC. Now it is simply too late.

I am cynical however about Chinese motives and actions here. If a piece of WW2 ordnance turns up in the UK most people have the sense to call the police who bring in the bomb disposal experts and deal with it. Does the Chinese government make any effort to publicise the problem of abandoned Japanese weapons, particularly amongst construction workers, or is it convenient to have these incidents from time to time to give an excuse to attack the Japanese government.

As for putting stories together, I am aware that the 6 way talks over N Korean nuclear weapons, including Japan, are about to get under way and I cannot believe that the Chinese government hasn't taken that into account.

[Alexander's Horse]

They probably have - I would rate the Chinese very highly.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten

This I seriously doubt. The Japanese routinely went on killing sprees whenever they had a chance.

I'm not saying the Japanese weren't mass murderers. They certainly were. It's just really hard to top the Great Leap Forward.

You're comparing manslaughter to first degree mass murder and saying manslaughter is worse.

The majority of deaths caused during the Great Leap Forward were the result of unintended government incompetence.

The Japanese deliberately murdered, raped and enslaved people. These crimes were condoned, ordered and approved at the highest level. These crimes were a result of inherent sadism within the Japanese culture, a sadistic streak that continues to this day.

Just look at how Japanese government leaders view rape. A former Japanese cabinet member said last month: "Gang rape shows the people who do it are still vigorous, and that is OK. I think that might make them close to normal."

Japanese society and culture is severely deranged and it will continue to be so. The only hope for Japan is to admit that they were not the victims in World War Two (This view is widely held in Japan) and to admit that they commit vicious crimes.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by CerberusIV
So what does the Chinese government do to publicise the problem and encourage people to report such finds to the authorities?

Point being?

Originally posted by CerberusIV
Possible but unlikely. Retreating armies don't usually keep much in the way of records. What records were made were probably destroyed when the Soviets overran the Japanese in Manchuria. AFAIK nothing much was ever handed over to the post war Japanese government by the USSR.

Retreating army wouldn't lug around heavy cans of chemicals, esp. when they can serve as additional evidence of war crimes.

[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
More simply put, do you know what hypocrisy is?

Where's hypocrisy?

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
What about Chinese killing Koreans? Does that bother you, since the dead are part of your ethnic group? The Chinese were the last foreign nation to invade Korea, yet all your hatred goes toward the Japanese. Why is that?

What a pathetic spin of the Korean War.

Snooze.

[Drake Tungsten]

What a pathetic spin of the Korean War.

I bet the Koreans really appreciated the extra years of war and the fifty years of totalitarian rule in the North that were the direct results of Chinese involvement in the Korean War.

The whole peninsula would've been a whole lot better off if the Chinese had just stayed the hell out of other peoples' business.

Japanese society and culture is severely deranged and it will continue to be so.

Racism like this is why the grudges in East Asia will continue to simmer. Thank god I didn't grow up being indoctrined into such a backward thinking culture.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Tingkai
The majority of deaths caused during the Great Leap Forward were the result of unintended government incompetence.

You don't accidentally kill 30 million people. Even if you buy the "we were just incompetent and didn't mean to kill anyone" line then the communist bastards should still be put in front of a firing squad.

I think it's kind of telling that a disproportionate number of the people who died during the great leap forward came from areas which supported the nationalists during the civil war. The communists targeted people whom they felt were insufficiently loyal to the revolution and then systematically worked and starved them to death.

[Tingkai]

Originally posted by Drake Tungsten
Racism like this is why the grudges in East Asia will continue to simmer. Thank god I didn't grow up being indoctrined into such a backward thinking culture.

You need to learn the definition of racism because you obviously don't understand what the word means.

You also need to learn a bit about Japanese society and culture. Once you have, you'll understand why Japanese troops behaved as they did.