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The German government has formally owned up to its war crimes and has worked together with its neighbors to make a better life for all. The Japanese have been very evasive about their guilt. My understanding is that Japanese textbooks still imply that the war and the atrocities committed by Japanese troops weren't really entirely Japan's fault, shoving a major part of the blame off on Western imperialism. You also have to consider that the Japanese occupation of some parts of Asia was much longer than Germany's occupation of its conquered territories. Japan occupied Taiwan and Korea for 60 years.
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a 5 year civil war pails in comparison to what other countries and peoples have dealt with...Originally posted by Sprayber
Yes we have. It's just that we did it to ourselves in the 1860's and it has hung around in one form or another ever since.
To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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yeah, it was just a little side excursion is all
ask some southerners and some of them will tell it like it happened yesterdayWe the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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a drop in the bucket...Originally posted by Ted Striker
yeah, it was just a little side excursion is all
because they are morons...ask some southerners and some of them will tell it like it happened yesterdayTo us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Please not another threadjack on The War of Northern Aggression!
"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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not my fault!Originally posted by PLATO
Please not another threadjack on The War of Northern Aggression!
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his faultWe the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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To us, it is the BEAST.Comment
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Well ted and Sava... you guys are both one spam or threadjack post away from getting restricted... and I mean in ANY thread... not just this one.Keep on Civin'
RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron OComment
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Okay I will play ball.
The last couple of posts were spam, but the ones about the Civil War are a very valid comparison.We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham LincolnComment
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Four pages and we're still saying the exact same thing we said on page one.Attached FilesTry http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.Comment
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This is the nub of the problem - Germany has made heartfelt efforts to make amends for its actions during the war but Japan hasn't.Originally posted by GePap
HOw so? German attrocties could only occur in araes under German cvontrol, ie, the resuls of german militarism.
Do the Japanese put up monuments of any type to remember their actions vs. the Chinese in Nanking? Do Japanese textbooks explore the actions of the Japanese military and state that these were horrible attrocities? Wat is the feeling towards Jaspan's war leaders (with the exception of the Emperor, which is a complex case)?
The Germans have paid out tens of billions, have made it a criminal offense to spouse the vioews of the offending regime, have monuments to their guilt everywhere, have deep debates as to whether they can even claim that they in some ways were victims (the Strategic bombing issue), so forht and so on. I have to agree with Spiff, the Germans have gone much farther than the Japasnese at the "person on the street" level of accepting responsibility for actions in the 30's and 40's.
Most Japanese people do not accept that Japan was at fault or has anything to make apologies for about the conduct of the war. They tend to see Japan as a victim of the war rather than the aggressor and Japan's wartime record as glorious. This is why East Asian nations who suffered under Japanese rule feel the need to continue to remind Japan of the terrible things Japan did to them during the war.
Because Japan has not accepted its wartime guilt there is still deep suspicion of Japan and the fact that Japanese people are still in denial about the war keeps the issue of atrocities alive. It only takes a small incident to bring all this ill feeling about the war bubbling to the surface again.Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..
Look, I just don't anymore, okay?Comment
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What it boils down to is that noone can believe that Japan has gone 180 degrees from 4000 years of militant history. With Japan admitting no guilt and offering no apology, who can blame them?"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003Comment
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All this thread shows is DanS knows practically nothing about East Asia. 
Apparently, I know loads more about East Asia than you do about American presidential politics.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Sava please spare us your feigned sympathy for other people's plight.Originally posted by Sava
a 5 year civil war pails in comparison to what other countries and peoples have dealt with...
Which side are we on? We're on the side of the demons, Chief. We are evil men in the gardens of paradise, sent by the forces of death to spread devastation and destruction wherever we go. I'm surprised you didn't know that. --Saul TighComment
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