Gender Profiling, OK? Racial Profiling, Not?

[Solly]

Fine, Proteus, then we take skin colour as a proxy for poverty when income is not ascertainable.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Lorizael
There are two things that you're ignoring Bod's.

The first is that blacks already tend to get harsher treatment than whites when it comes to the law (blacks are more likely to get the death penalty (especially when they murder a white)) and blacks have their cars pulled over and searched a whole helluva lot more than whites do. These facts skew the claim that black people commit more crimes.

The second thing that must be noted is that, if you observe statistics, it's actually poorer people that tend to commit more crimes. It just so happens that there are many more poor and black people than there are poor and white people.

Nope, In the US there is actually more white people on wellfare then black people. That makes sense when 3/4 oif the population is white. What blacks do have is a higher percentagte of population living in poverty but the absolute number is still lower then the absolute white number.

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Oerdin


Nope, In the US there is actually more white people on wellfare then black people. That makes sense when 3/4 oif the population is white. What blacks do have is a higher percentagte of population living in poverty but the absolute number is still lower then the absolute white number.

Erp, I said number? Woops. What you said is what I meant. Thank you for correcting that.

[Kuciwalker]

If racial profiling is ok as a substitute for profiling on socioeconomic status, then Affirmative Action is OK. I believe in neither, and Boddington, I believe you don't like the second either.

[PLATO]

Poverty is the key to crime. While it is true that crime is committed at all income levels, the majority of violent crime is committed by the impoverished. Racial profiling is hogwash. Race has little to do with crime. Education levels and income levels have by far the greatest impact. Provide for a decent education and therefore increase earning power and you will see a drop in violent crime.

As for "Poverty profiling", all you have to do is go to an impoverished area and you can easily see this is already happening.

[Kuciwalker]

Race does have a lot to do with crime, but is not the cause. It is associated with the same thing crime is associated with, socioeconomic status. THAT is the connection.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by skywalker
If racial profiling is ok as a substitute for profiling on socioeconomic status, then Affirmative Action is OK. I believe in neither, and Boddington, I believe you don't like the second either.

I'm not sure that is true. What if there is an immanent threat like say an Arab looking terrorist who we believe is going to bomb a plane? Profiling Arabs would be illegal but surely if we want to stop the terrorist it is best to look for someone of his description? I.E. an Arab.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by skywalker
Race does have a lot to do with crime, but is not the cause. It is associated with the same thing crime is associated with, socioeconomic status. THAT is the connection.

It is not an inherently race issue is my point. Your are correct that it is a socioeconomic issue. The social part is equal opportunity and the economic is equal education.

[Lorizael]

if we knew specifically that an arab looking terrorist was going to do something bad, then that's fine.

But, just the general threat that there are some arabs in the world that don't exactly like the US (understatement of the year) really isn't enough. There has to be evidence that a crime is going to be commited, if you ask me.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by Boddington's
It's politically-correct extreme-left-wing bull**** like this that has led to our perceived crime rate rocketing.

For some time, I knew a few rich white teenagers who indulged in drug dealing (edit: out of many rich teenagers who indulged in drug smoking).

For some reason, they have never had any problems with the police... Maybe because the police spent all its resources arresting Blacks and Arabs who were buying their **** ?

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Lorizael
(blacks are more likely to get the death penalty (especially when they murder a white))

I call BS.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by Spiffor

For some time, I knew a few rich white teenagers who indulged in drug dealing (edit: out of many rich teenagers who indulged in drug smoking).

For some reason, they have never had any problems with the police... Maybe because the police spent all its resources arresting Blacks and Arabs who were buying their **** ?

Perhaps, but usually it is the rich teenagers going to the ghetto to buy a nickel bag.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Oerdin
I'm not sure that is true. What if there is an immanent threat like say an Arab looking terrorist who we believe is going to bomb a plane? Profiling Arabs would be illegal but surely if we want to stop the terrorist it is best to look for someone of his description? I.E. an Arab.

Ah, but there race and religion are a DIRECT factor, not an indirect one.

[PLATO]

Originally posted by skywalker


Ah, but there race and religion are a DIRECT factor, not an indirect one.

Exactly. This is not profiling. Information as to the likely race or nationality exists before the investigative phase. In profiling it does not.

[Kuciwalker]

My point was that you cannot conduct racial profiling for crime, because it is only an indicator of the true indicator, socioeconomic status. However, when it is the true indicator, such as for terrorists, you can profile.