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  • #31
    Ok, so I was wrong.

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    • #32
      Christianity has some of the most noble philosophical sentiments you will find at its core. Jefferson felt that the teachings of Jesus were sublime, but that Paul had corrupted the message and had turned Jesus into a divine figure out of fanatical desire to bring people to his side. That's why Jefferson created a version of the Bible in which he removed the supernatural elements, which he felt were ludicrous, and removed a lot of Paul's words.

      I don't see why there would be an incompatibility between believing the teachings ascribed to Jesus are wonderful things and yet rejecting the supernatural elements.

      "Love one another" requires no supernatural beliefs.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Boris Godunov




        The Jewish concept of "Hell" was far different from the Christian one that developed. Certainly much more philosophically nuanced and creative than the "burn forever" place. I mean, how passe is that?
        Interesting,
        the jewish concept of having no separate Heaven and Hell, but instead having a Soul which is punishing itelf by thinking about the bad Deeds it has done in Life much more resembles the Concept from Hell I have once developed for my personal Beliefs,

        Much more than the catholic Concept of a separate Hell were Souls are tormented by Satan and his Devils
        (and it is of cause much more different than the Sea of Fire which Jack Chicks always nmentioned to be the Place were People even for the slighted Failure are thrown into by their "loving" God to suffer for Eternity)
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        • #34
          If there is a Hell for wicked, evil people, Jack Chick will be consigned to the lowest depths of it.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Boddington's
            Yeah..I believe the moral teachings of Christianity are , but can't bring myself to believe in all those myths about Jesus and God etc.
            I am curious. What "myths" are you referring to?
            'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
            G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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              • #37
                Originally posted by skywalker
                Why are you laughing?

                He could be talking about Jesus' miracles, His resurrection, His virgin birth or maybe all of the above, or maybe even something else.

                I was simply hoping to get a bit more specific.
                'There is a greater darkness than the one we fight. It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way. The war we fight is not against powers and principalities, it is against chaos and despair. Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams. Against this peril we can never surrender. The future is all around us, waiting, in moments of transition, to be born in moments of revelation. No one knows the shape of that future or where it will take us. We know only that it is always born in pain.'"
                G'Kar - from Babylon 5 episode "Z'ha'dum"

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                • #38
                  I believe he's referring to all the supernatural aspects of the New Testament.
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                  • #39
                    Boddington -- go window shopping for the right Christian denomination that you would feel most comfortable in.

                    I was raised Catholic, but when I was 18, I was no longer religiously observant, since my parents stopped forcing me to go to the local church to worship.

                    But at this point in life, I might turn back to religious active faith in the Episcopalian (spelling?) denomination due to their progressive views on contemporary issues (at least some Episcopalian branches do).
                    A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by MrFun
                      Boddington -- go window shopping for the right Christian denomination that you would feel most comfortable in.
                      Is there a Christian denomination which follows the teachings of Jesus but does not believe in the miracles or his divinity? Bodd's issue is that he doesn't believe the supernatural myths, so any denomination that accepted that would not be his thing.

                      The only religious affiliations I can see that would appeal to him would be Unitarianism (and only in some forms) and Deism.
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                      • #41
                        a lot of people don't believe in the common concept of hell (in fact, many mainstream denominations don't)

                        Jon Miller
                        if hell is anything it is this earth
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                        • #42
                          a lot of people who are on the outskirts of christianity (often from the christian side) are where Bods is at

                          tehy beleive in god and they think that christ was a good man but they don't belieive in miracles (and there concept fo god is often deist or pantheist)

                          Jon Miller
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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Boris Godunov


                            Is there a Christian denomination which follows the teachings of Jesus but does not believe in the miracles or his divinity? Bodd's issue is that he doesn't believe the supernatural myths, so any denomination that accepted that would not be his thing.

                            The only religious affiliations I can see that would appeal to him would be Unitarianism (and only in some forms) and Deism.
                            hmmm . . . . . ok, then
                            A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                            • #44
                              Today, the cathgolic vision of hell is a sphere in which the souls suffer of lack of God.
                              "I realise I hold the key to freedom,
                              I cannot let my life be ruled by threads" The Web Frogs
                              Middle East!

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                              • #45
                                Heaven and hell = Carrot and stick. Why? Control of people.
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                                "You can be wrong AND jewish" - Wiglaf :love:

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