The delusional top ten

[Dinner]

Major Delusion: Arafat and the Pa actually don't support terrorism and want a two state solution.

[Al B. Sure!]

Major Delusion: Israel is the just, all-embracive peace-wanting state in the middle east

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
Major Delusion: Israel is the just, all-embracive peace-wanting state in the middle east

This is true. That doesn't change the fact that Arafat is a swine though.

[Al B. Sure!]

Oerdin:

I think people expect too much of the PA... people like you seem to think Palestine is an actual country and the PA has an organized military that is doing these terrorist attacks... that stone-throwing teenagers are a third-wing of the PA military... and the PA can control its citizens (do palestinians by the way pay israeli taxes?)... the fact is, the PA is as much of a nation-state as... god i dont know what... but the fact is, it's not an actual country but a mass of individuals. of course you'll still have random palestinians fighting a jihad... of course you'll have the PA having immense difficulty securing a diplomatic solution and enforcing peace...

Sharon's gov't on the other hand is centralized, etc.

[Dinner]

Yes, they are a nation. What we have though is the closest thing this nation has to a national government gives money to terrorists and orders terrorists attacks. What's worse is it gives known terrorist masterminds positions with in the government just so they will have diplomatic immunity and be shielded from retailation for there actions.

In my mind these people (the PA) are terrorist supporting scum just like the Taliban and we should destroy the PA just like we have (mostly) destroyed the Taliban.

P.S. I agree that the PA cannot control all of its citizens, but, they aren't even trying. Two years into the road map and not one terrorist has been arrested. The only thing the road map requires the PA to do is dismantle the terrorist networks. They won't do it and so they should be treated like any other terrorist supporting nation.

[FrustratedPoet]

Well that didn't take long.

[Rogan Josh]

The atheist claim that science disproves religion.

[Sandman]

Straight in at number one, North Korea.

The Church of Scientology is also right up there.

Arafat is an impotent doddering punchbag. When he kicks the bucket, Israel will just find a new 'mastermind' to vilify.

As for the Flat Earthers, I'd almost be willing to see taxpayers money fund trips into space for them, just to see the look on their faces.

[DanielXY]

Ok, Im a Flat Earther ... where is my ticket?

[Proteus_MST]

Originally posted by Oerdin

P.S. I agree that the PA cannot control all of its citizens, but, they aren't even trying. Two years into the road map and not one terrorist has been arrested. The only thing the road map requires the PA to do is dismantle the terrorist networks. They won't do it and so they should be treated like any other terrorist supporting nation.

After all I think it seems to be difficult to do.
I remember in the time before the second Intifada where you could always read, that every time there was a major Terrorist Attack in Israel the Israel Military destroyed Palestinian Policestations for Revenge.

It always seemed to be very counterproductive to me, to avenge terrorist Attacks by destroying the Infrastructure which could be used by the PA to counter those Terrorists (except of course you had no real Interest in giving the PA a Chance to get rid of the Terrorists).

So I think the major Delusions go like this:

The current Israeli and Palestine Government will be successful in finding a way to peacefully live together.

and

Hamas, Islamic Djihad or the Israeli Settler Organizations (and their political Parties) are really interested in a two State Solution and in Palestinians and Israelis living peacefully side by side.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
The atheist claim that science disproves religion.

It does...

but this is in clear violation of the first post...

[Lorizael]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
The atheist claim that science disproves religion.

That "the atheist" makes this claim.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by Proteus_MST


After all I think it seems to be difficult to do.
I remember in the time before the second Intifada where you could always read, that every time there was a major Terrorist Attack in Israel the Israel Military destroyed Palestinian Policestations for Revenge.

It always seemed to be very counterproductive to me, to avenge terrorist Attacks by destroying the Infrastructure which could be used by the PA to counter those Terrorists (except of course you had no real Interest in giving the PA a Chance to get rid of the Terrorists).

So I think the major Delusions go like this:

The current Israeli and Palestine Government will be successful in finding a way to peacefully live together.

and

Hamas, Islamic Djihad or the Israeli Settler Organizations (and their political Parties) are really interested in a two State Solution and in Palestinians and Israelis living peacefully side by side.

If the PA's police functioned like the police in other nations then I would agree with you that destroying police stations would be counter productive. As it is though the PA would give jobs to members of Al Aqsa and then make them police officers! :eeek: It was the police who were proven to be running some of the worst terrorist attacks. What else is Israel supposed to do but destroy them?

Arafat is smart. The terrorists are his biggest competetion so he hires them thus making them partially dependent (and certainly more favorable to him) plus this gives the terrorists legal cover. I.E. the news papers then say "Israel killed a PA police officer" and not "Israel killed a hamas opporative" which is what really happened.

[Boris Godunov]

Originally posted by Rogan Josh
The atheist claim that science disproves religion.

Here we go...

Hey, guess what, science does disprove (a lot of) religion. It doesn't disprove god, however, and I doubt many atheists at all would claim that it does.

God != religion.

I think up in the delusional top ten has to be Creationists. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt (a nation which seems to have not noticed the Great Flood wiped it out).

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Oh, the creationists have to be a top form of delutional denial. As a geologist I can't help but snicker whenever I hear those funimentalist Christian radio stations talking about "geologic proof of the great flood" or "geologic proof the world is only 3,000 years old".

These idiots often don't know the first thing about palentology yet they think they know enough to disprove sound science based upon what they've read in a three chapter fundie book.