This ought to piss off the lefties.

[GePap]

Originally posted by Oerdin
Have you ever taken a PoliSci class? Stalinists are most certainly not conservatives! Stalinists are radical leftists!!

I have taken plenty. No Stalinist are not far left radicals. Troskyites are far left radicals, anarchists are far left radicvals. Stalinits are not. They tend to be extremely conservative when it comes to the family unit, to sex, to patriotism and political repression.

Being conservative has 0 to do with ones position with respect to capitalism. Landowners and the Church are ussually wary of ramapant commercialism and capitalism, which they rightly see as disruptive to the old order. You ignore the roots of the word liberal. The only leftisit bit of Stalism is its view on religiong, though the creation of a personality cult does much in the way of solidifying a new civic religion (NK being a prime example).

[Ogie Oglethorpe]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara


If there was just one solidly liberal news channel, an anti-Fox, i.e., liberal and accurate, it would probably do quite well.

Keep dreaming.

It would need:

1. A charismatic host.

2. A liberal with conviction and backbone

3. Sponsorship that was willing to take the gamble.

Likelihood of one of the above happening is remote. All 3, well stranger things have happened.........

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Do you know why MSNBC cancelled Donahue? It was their top-rated show,

They would have kept it if that were indeed true.

[Dom Pedro II]

I have taken plenty. No Stalinist are not far left radicals. Troskyites are far left radicals, anarchists are far left radicvals. Stalinits are not. They tend to be extremely conservative when it comes to the family unit, to sex, to patriotism and political repression.

Left and Right is like East and West... if you go far enough, you'll eventually find yourself on the other side...

[Dinner]

Originally posted by GePap
I have taken plenty. No Stalinist are not far left radicals. Troskyites are far left radicals, anarchists are far left radicvals. Stalinits are not. They tend to be extremely conservative when it comes to the family unit, to sex, to patriotism and political repression.

First of all Stalinists are communist, they advicate a complete reordering of society by abolishing religion and private property and they are strong advicates of world wide communist revolution. We have forfilled the requirement that they want a radical reodering of society and that they believe this reodering will be (must be) accomplished through armed revolution. That makes them radical leftists.

Big changes + happening fast + revolution = radical leftist.

[Dinner]

Originally posted by chegitz guevara
Do you know why MSNBC cancelled Donahue? It was their top-rated show, but they were afraid it would become a center for anti-war reporting (or so says the leaked memo).

No, Donahue's show got cancelled because his ratings dropped by half in a short period of time. The company is in business to make money and shows which loss money get cancelled.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Oerdin


First of all Stalinists are communist, they advicate a complete reordering of society by abolishing religion and private property and they are strong advicates of world wide communist revolution. We have forfilled the requirement that they want a radical reodering of society and that they believe this reodering will be (must be) accomplished through armed revolution. That makes them radical leftists.

Big changes + happening fast + revolution = radical leftist.

Well, let's look at the Mormon Church here:

1. Wishes for world-wide Mormon revolution
2. Want radical re-ordering of society because currently society is "sinful"
3. Believe the end times are coming near (not official, but widely acknowledged), these changes must be brought about VERY soon.

Yep, so i guess the Mormon Church is a radical leftist organization But Mormons already have a reputation for being EXTREMLY LIBERAL on everything.



Economically, Stalinists are radical leftists. However otherwise....They aren't quite leftist

[Dom Pedro II]

Maybe his ratings dropped because the increasingly conservative public didn't like his anti-war slant... *shrugs*

[Dom Pedro II]

Tassadar, it sounds absurd if you go based on the normal criteria, but Oerdin is basing it on the criteria he specified above... in which left and right are based on levels of change, not ideology and morality.

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Dom Pedro II
Tassadar, it sounds absurd if you go based on the normal criteria, but Oerdin is basing it on the criteria he specified above... in which left and right are based on levels of change, not ideology and morality.

Ah. Can't find where he said that, but if thats his criteria, then yeah it makes sense.
Though its not the BEST way to put people on the political compass

[Dom Pedro II]

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[Urban Ranger]

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
If I say that all the conservatives I know are very, very intelligent people

You don't particularly inspire confidence, Imran.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Oerdin


First of all Stalinists are communist,

True, but they are different.

they advicate a complete reordering of society by abolishing religion and private property and they are strong advicates of world wide communist revolution.
We have forfilled the requirement that they want a radical reodering of society and that they believe this reodering will be (must be) accomplished through armed revolution. That makes them radical leftists.

WTF?
It's description of commuinsts, not Stalininsts. Communists advocate for this. Stalininsts come later when those changes already made. Trotsky advocated for worldwide revolution, not Stalin. Stalininsts advocate for strong STATE, a strong socialist STATE. Stalin stopped export of revolution and abandoned this idea. Instead of this he start to create a powerfull state. If there was no Stalin and guys like Trotsky were in charge in 20-30s, Russia would became like Afghanistan under Taliban's rule, which I can't call a state ( a bunch of fanatics with their own idea how to change whole world and who make attempts to change it). Stalinist belongs to isolutionist branch of communists.