One of the most important political issues of mine...

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
still... what you suggested only helps out a small percentage of the people i'm talking about...

maybe they should meet me halfway and help themselves a little.

[Al B. Sure!]

yavoon... take the guy who's taking pharmaceutical courses... he admits he shot people and was shot himself numerous times... he was probably a horrible person in his youth but why must that bad past ruin his chances of succeeding now? he wants to succeed and is clearly working very hard... he deserves a boost... not no welfare-like checks or nothing... just the oppurtunity of a business that pays a good wage not immediately throwing away his application because he was convicted of violent crimes

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
yavoon... take the guy who's taking pharmaceutical courses... he admits he shot people and was shot himself numerous times... he was probably a horrible person in his youth but why must that bad past ruin his chances of succeeding now? he wants to succeed and is clearly working very hard... he deserves a boost... not no welfare-like checks or nothing... just the oppurtunity of a business that pays a good wage not immediately throwing away his application because he was convicted of violent crimes

I dont know the law well enuff, but dont lots of states seal files of what u did as a minor? I think in the abstract u have a point.

but as an employer would u hire a guy who raped a women and stabbed two others over someone who didn't?

[Nubclear]

Yeah. He didn't mean to shoot them...It's their fault that their bodies got in the way of the wall and the bullet

I would never hire a guy whos shot multiple people. Ever. No matter how sorry he was and how much he repented to god, because if he did it once, he can do it again. And if he already did it again....

[Al B. Sure!]

but as an employer would u hire a guy who raped a women and stabbed two others over someone who didn't?

thats why tax breaks should be given to such businesses that give these men a chance...

[Vandal-1]

Only jobs that are security sensitive should have the right to petition for such information regardless of the crime.upon release the debt is paid and a "Don't ask,don't tell "policy should be the way.This problem is a outgrowth of the big brother syndrome.Albert I work in the Oilfield Ive had some good hands that are ex-cons our scrutiny is on how a man performs his duties not wether or not he was a choir boy in a former life.
The big brother syndrome is caused by controle
freaks who are threatened by any potential risk. I personally would put a man who committed a armed assault in a security position over a Dudly Doright typr since I know he has the Huevos to handle a gunfight,and the other man is untestested.

[Verto]

You can't expect businesses to view these former convicts as changed men. You yourself may have a different view of these individuals, because you have gotten to know them over a period of time. But an employer will only see "rapist" or "armed robbery". It may not be right, but it isn't exactly wrong, either.

I wish your friend the best of luck, by the way, AS.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Albert Speer


thats why tax breaks should be given to such businesses that give these men a chance...

k u go explain that the gun toting excon got a job instead of the single mother cuz the business wants to take advantage of uncle sam's giveaway.

that was probably mean. but if u give a job or an advantage to someone. there is most likely someone on the other end of the stick.

[Al B. Sure!]

Tassadar:

and what happens to that man when he is refused at every job he applies for?

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Vandal-1
Only jobs that are security sensitive should have the right to petition for such information regardless of the crime.upon release the debt is paid and a "Don't ask,don't tell "policy should be the way.This problem is a outgrowth of the big brother syndrome.Albert I work in the Oilfield Ive had some good hands that are ex-cons our scrutiny is on how a man performs his duties not wether or not he was a choir boy in a former life.
The big brother syndrome is caused by controle
freaks who are threatened by any potential risk. I personally would put a man who committed a armed assault in a security position over a Dudly Doright typr since I know he has the Huevos to handle a gunfight,and the other man is untestested.

its their money. they're obliged to be threataned in ne way they see fit.

[yavoon]

I think what can be gotten out of this so far is that the sympathy rate for violent criminals is pretty low.

[Al B. Sure!]

Vandal-1:

maybe thats a good solution... dont ask dont tell... i just figured that big brotherism was inevitable so you might as well make due with it and try to encourage businesses to hire them...

and verto... yeah he needs some luck but he's managing... but there's several more who are in tighter squeezes cause they got kids and all that too... they need every bit of luck they can get.


thanks

[Nubclear]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
Tassadar:

and what happens to that man when he is refused at every job he applies for?

Oh well. Quite frankly isn't not my problem. It's not my problems that he shot multiple people and therefore has lost the trust of society. It's his fault, and his problem.
I'm just saying he has no place in my ficticious "business".

[Al B. Sure!]

Tass:

what happens is that he goes right back to the only life he knows and the only way he can make a buck... and you'll end up being that one behind the barrel of his 45... it does no good for society to have the cycle of crime continue.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
Vandal-1:

maybe thats a good solution... dont ask dont tell... i just figured that big brotherism was inevitable so you might as well make due with it and try to encourage businesses to hire them...

and verto... yeah he needs some luck but he's managing... but there's several more who are in tighter squeezes cause they got kids and all that too... they need every bit of luck they can get.


thanks

I'm not a huge fan of rampant sealing. anyone who wishes to deny u information thinks he knows better than u. the fight for freedom of information shouldn't be handed over quite so easily.

I'd prefer a much more moderated approach.