How easily can cultural tidbit attain 'immortality'?

[Al B. Sure!]

notyoueither:

nah i doubt it now... though he's shown amazing resilency since his death, a mere 5 years of music recording from 91 to 96 is hardly enough to base fame in future centuries on... had he more time on this earth, things might have turned out different...

[notyoueither]

They are certainly not anonymous. Many of their words remain. They are not up to the cut however. That is why Will's plays are still produced, and theirs are not.

There is so much recorded, back to Cicero and beyond him. Being recorded is no assurance of immortality as an icon. Being especially good is.

[st_swithin]

bards - Scottish for those feathered things what flaye en the aier.

[Al B. Sure!]

notyoueither:

which goes back to my point if Imran is still around and not understanding... there was nothing about Shakespeare in his time that made people know that he would be famous in the future... if anything, many of the critics doubted his future fame... and yet, for whatever reason he is now seen as the greatest playwrite ever.

similiarily, for all we know, Kevin Costner will be seen as the greatest actor/director of the 20th century to the people of 2350.

[Al B. Sure!]

swithin:

don't you mean barbs?

[st_swithin]

?

[Al B. Sure!]

oh nevermind... you meant birds but with a scottish accent... when you said feathered things that fly in the air i thought you meant arrows ie- barbs (which looks and sounds like bards)

[st_swithin]

Ah, I see. That would be:

faythad arras.

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
notyoueither:

which goes back to my point if Imran is still around and not understanding... there was nothing about Shakespeare in his time that made people know that he would be famous in the future... if anything, many of the critics doubted his future fame... and yet, for whatever reason he is now seen as the greatest playwrite ever.

similiarily, for all we know, Kevin Costner will be seen as the greatest actor/director of the 20th century to the people of 2350.

Agreed for the most part, however this proves that critics really don't know their butts from a plate of beans.

[FrustratedPoet]

Originally posted by Albert Speer
if anything, many of the critics doubted his future fame...

Cite?

[mindseye]

I wouldn't be surprised if jazz has the staying power of classical music.

[Rufus T. Firefly]

Originally posted by mindseye
I wouldn't be surprised if jazz has the staying power of classical music.

I almost said that, but it seems a tricky choice for this thread. Why? because the essence of jazz is sponteneity and improvisation, which militates against any particular jazz work being enshrined/ossified for all time. 200 years from now, people will be playing jazz, absolutely. But they may not be reverently recording and re-recording, say "Blue Train," the way we now record and re-record Beethoven's 5th.

[Immortal Wombat]

What a pointless stupid threadjack.

"All your base are belong to us"

[:) Smiley]

If that is still around in A.D. 2101 I'm gonna puke.

[Imran Siddiqui]

similiarly, shakespeare was popular among englishmen of all walks of life but at the same time many critics and those who thought they had great standards (like some of the people in this thread) believed him stupid and would not be known in the future... they would never have imagined him being the greatest playwrite of all time...

I'll back FP's point and say 'cite'?

Albert, you are famous for making these absurd generalizations with nothing to back them up. Everything I've read about the 'critics' of Shakesphere, believed him to be a very good playwright, and had some minor quibbles (such as the role of women, etc.). You keep saying critics put him down... who and when?

Or is this simply another case of you making a BAM statement and then saying no one is listening to you?

the background music has changed from old disco music to rock to soul samples to jazz, etc. but the actually rapper's art has remained the same

Your biases are showing again. The background music has changed, but rapper's art is the same? Please. The background music has changed from blues to rap as well. The art of singing a song to music has remained the same .