How easily can cultural tidbit attain 'immortality'?

[Al B. Sure!]

st_swithin:

thats the second time i saw those lines on apolyton... what do they mean?

[Space05us]

i know but some certain people in this thread are over-simplifying **** by saying that whatever their elitist attitudes consider as bad will be seen as the dark ages while whatever little underground thing they like will be glorified...

*coughlookwhostalkingcough*

rap-like artforms have already pre-dated shakespeare... ever heard of bards?

mind expanding on that thought? Every musical genre is its own, though it may have borrowed from other genres it is still unique. Rap has been around since it has been called rap, and how long has that been? (seriously how long has it been, I dont know )
Besides, if Bards were around first then rap would be bard-like, not the other way around.

[Space05us]

st_swithin:

thats the second time i saw those lines on apolyton... what do they mean?

sheesh speer, go get some culture.

"I can make you speak indian"
"how?"
"I just did!" *laughs*

(points at your shirt) "You have something on your shirt"
(you look down) "whe..."
(...I flick youre nose) *laughs*

old jokes speer, old jokes.

[st_swithin]

Here's one for the American History XI book:

You find out that the mirror-image swastika, also known as the "crux grammata" (manji) inspires Derek to higher aspirations. In Chinese, 'mahn jii' sounds like the words meaning "slowly healing."

[Somewhat paraphrased from the translation notes of "Blade of the Immortal" by Hiroaki Samura:]

The main character in "Blade of the Immortal," Manji, has taken the "crux grammata" as both his name and his personal symbol. This symbol is also known as the swastika, a name derived from the Sanskrit scastika (meaning "welfare," from su - "well" + asti - "he is").

As a symbol of prosperity and good fortune, the swastika was widely used throughout the ancient world (for example, appearing often on Mesopotamian coinage), including North and South America.

Furthermore, the symbol has been used by many the Chinese and Japanese for more than TWO THOUSAND YEARS to denote Buddhist foods which are certified to be vegetarian, in the same way that the word 'kosher' denotes food properly blessed and sanctified by a Rabbi.

The swastika had NO anti-Semitic or pro-Nazi meaning behind the use of the symbol from around 3,000 BCE (bc) until 1910. THOSE ANTI-SEMITIC MEANINGS DID NOT EXIST UNTIL 1910, AND ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE HAKENKREUZ (the lunar symbol, arms clockwise), NOT THE SWASTIKA (the solar symbol, arms counterclockwise).

After 1910, Buddhists were shunned as being 'insensitive' to the plight of the Jews during WWII, and were asked to refrain from using the symbol, lest they injure someone's feelings. The Buddhists, ever anxious to avoid stepping on the feelings of others, ceased to use the symbol, but the religion as a whole began to lose coherence, since part of the language of the Buddhists had been eradicated forever by the victims of the Holocaust: the Jews.

I feel that if anyone has a gripe with the Jews, it's the Buddhists. They have a right to declare a jihad on Zion, but it's not Our way. We believe that every species can smell its own extinction, and often desperate animals will try to pull others down with it, just or not.

Good luck eradicating more and more of the history and honour behind other religions! You have already succeeded in eliminating the Buddhists from your allies, as well as any support we may have lent you. Unfortunately, we were the last of those who might have offered any help, and you turned your backs to us, and shunned us, and were spiteful.

We no longer have any other cheek to turn. Instead, we turn our collective backs upon you, and swear that for all Eternity, the Jewish people shall NEVER again pass under the merciful eyes of Buddah.

In the next 10 years, maybe less, the Jewish peoples will merely be a bedtime story for children, in which a great Evil had been banished from the light of the Sun and the Moon, and the victory of Good will be known by that symbol which was so dreaded and loathed by them.

LONG LIVE JUSTICE!!!

[Geronimo]

so uh, st_swithin, I guess the point you offer in that post is that even seemingly immortalized cultural symbols like crux grammata can suddenly and through bizaare circumstances be abandoned and largely forgotten even after thousands of years of use?

[notyoueither]

Originally posted by st_swithin
After 1910, Buddhists were shunned as being 'insensitive' to the plight of the Jews during WWII, and were asked to refrain from using the symbol, lest they injure someone's feelings. The Buddhists, ever anxious to avoid stepping on the feelings of others, ceased to use the symbol, but the religion as a whole began to lose coherence, since part of the language of the Buddhists had been eradicated forever by the victims of the Holocaust: the Jews.

I feel that if anyone has a gripe with the Jews, it's the Buddhists. They have a right to declare a jihad on Zion, but it's not Our way. We believe that every species can smell its own extinction, and often desperate animals will try to pull others down with it, just or not.

Good luck eradicating more and more of the history and honour behind other religions! You have already succeeded in eliminating the Buddhists from your allies, as well as any support we may have lent you. Unfortunately, we were the last of those who might have offered any help, and you turned your backs to us, and shunned us, and were spiteful.

We no longer have any other cheek to turn. Instead, we turn our collective backs upon you, and swear that for all Eternity, the Jewish people shall NEVER again pass under the merciful eyes of Buddah.

In the next 10 years, maybe less, the Jewish peoples will merely be a bedtime story for children, in which a great Evil had been banished from the light of the Sun and the Moon, and the victory of Good will be known by that symbol which was so dreaded and loathed by them.

LONG LIVE JUSTICE!!!

You are one seriously disturbed individual.

[Sikander]

Originally posted by st_swithin
Said one Idiot to an apprentice indiot:
"I can make you speak Idian."


Said the Walrus to the Eggman (points at your shirt) "You have something on your shirt."

The Eggman is Paul. Goo Goo Gajoob!

[Imran Siddiqui]

rap-like artforms have already pre-dated shakespeare... ever heard of bards?

Hehehehe... have you ever hear bard songs, Albert? They happen to be very little like rap. I don't think many would consider rap to be bard-like.

[Al B. Sure!]

Space:

my point is that just cause something now (ie- pop music) may seem stupid with no meaning and just something for short term mass consumption so was the classics... there was nothing especially great about shakespeare in his time (except that he was thought by his contemporaries to be rude and bastardizing theater) and yet he is now considered the best play-wright...

[Imran Siddiqui]

there was nothing especially great about shakespeare in his time

The question remains then, if he wasn't thought to be great in his time, why did he perform in front of royalty? He surely had to be somewhat good to perform for such an audience!

[Al B. Sure!]

Imran:

whats so different about it? bards, or their equivalents in dozens of cultures such as griots, went around with full stories in verse in their heads which they recited to simplistic music.

[monolith94]

"Star Wars won't endure."



Ever seen "This Gun For Hire" Rufus?

[Al B. Sure!]

Imran:

Shakespeare wrote so many plays about the english kings including the tudor line in order to secure a royal audience...

and in any event, that does not mean that the rest of europe respected shakespeare... the french (and many english) especially were disgusted by his plays because they broke all the standard rules of theater and playwriting of the time. he was considered rude, uncouth, with no respect for the established laws of theater.

so similiarily, it's very likely that modern pop culture which some here may described with the same words the contemporaries of shakespeare described him with, might end up being classics in the future

[Imran Siddiqui]

whats so different about it? bards, or their equivalents in dozens of cultures such as griots, went around with full stories in verse in their heads which they recited to simplistic music.

And that's exactly what rap is? Come on... you've just described a wide variety of music. Never heard of people just jaming and singing along stories? Or improv blues stuff?

Unless what you meant to say is that rap is like music .

[Imran Siddiqui]

the french (and many english) especially were disgusted by his plays because they broke all the standard rules of theater and playwriting of the time. he was considered rude, uncouth, with no respect for the established laws of theater.

The French disdained anything English, so that isn't anything. The fact that some English disdained Shakesphere and called him rude and uncouth doesn't mean the majority did. Many upper class families did go to see his plays. You can tell this by the layout of The Globe (his theater). The poor sat on the ground, but most of the seating was for richer folk.