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  • #76
    Sorry Sava, any historian worth his weight realizes that Kennedy has been sanctified without cause. He had a horrible Presidency and there were definate concerns that he might have lost his re-election bid. Getting shot was the best thing that happened to his legacy.

    As Sikander (no ideologue) said:

    Oh, and Kennedy has to rate as one of the worst presidents of the modern era, making the pathetic hero worship of him (especially when I was a kid) all the more ironic / moronic.
    “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
    - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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    • #77
      1. Abe Lincoln
      2. FDR
      3. Ronald Reagan

      For those of you who question Ronald Reagan, he was voted our greatest president in a recent poll.
      http://tools.wikimedia.de/~gmaxwell/jorbis/JOrbisPlayer.php?path=John+Williams+The+Imperial+M arch+from+The+Empire+Strikes+Back.ogg&wiki=en

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Ned
        For those of you who question Ronald Reagan, he was voted our greatest president in a recent poll.
        Yeah, and 60% of America can't find Sweden on a map. I don't care what the dumb thinks.
        To us, it is the BEAST.

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        • #79
          Sorry Sava, any historian worth his weight realizes that Kennedy has been sanctified without cause. He had a horrible Presidency and there were definate concerns that he might have lost his re-election bid. Getting shot was the best thing that happened to his legacy.
          You are arguing one point, completely unrelated to my own. Kennedy did more to fight the Soviets than Reagan did. Period. In fact, I agree that Kennedy's presidency has been sanctified because of his death. Your little distraction still won't take away from the fact that Reagan didn't do that much to contribute to the Soviet collapse. In fact, Reagan created more problems than he solved with regards to foreign policies and enemies of America.
          To us, it is the BEAST.

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          • #80
            I can't believe so many people, including some left-leaning people, mentioned TR. TR was a good 'ole warmongering SOB... kinda like what Dubya is currently accused of being.

            I'll go with:

            -Jefferson
            -FDR
            -Ike

            I'm not a big fan of some of the stuff that FDR did (Social Security... what a ponzi scheme!), but he had the ability to communicate with the people and pull them through a tough time (whether or not the actual policies were brilliant) and he seems to have been a good guy to have running the show when the **** hit the fan (WWII).

            As for the JFK debate, I side with Sikander & Imran here. He just wasn't that good. He had some memorable quotes, which is a plus (even the "funny ich bin ein berliner" one), but I do think his "handling" of the Cuban missle crisis was dangerously clumsy, and the Bay of Pigs was a total disaster.

            LBJ? Please.

            Nixon? Accomplished some important things, but the fact he was a lying bastard who thought he was above the law kinda wipes that out.

            Reagan? I have rather fond memories of that era, but there are a lot of negatives:

            -Iran-Contra
            -the AIDS thing Funman mentioned. That was bad, fellas.
            -renewed the "war on drugs" with a vengence. It didn't work, and it cost billions.
            -the huge military spending. Actually, no, the failure to actually pay for it, instead of just running up a huge debt load. This blame also falls on Bush Sr., Clinton, and Bush Jr. Massive debt pisses me off.

            -Arrian
            grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

            The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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            • #81
              Kennedy did more to fight the Soviets than Reagan did.


              Bull****. The only President that did more to fight the Soviets than Reagan was Truman. Reagan took them head on and brought back Truman's policies which had been whittled away by detente. Increased pressure on the Soviets by more pressing on them and building SDI streached the Soviet machine to the limit.

              Even Gorby will admit that the Soviet Union collapsed because of Reagan's pressure.
              “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
              - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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              • #82
                Even Gorby will admit that the Soviet Union collapsed because of Reagan's pressure.
                I recall a Gorby quote, "He (Reagan) received too much credit for the collapse of the USSR." But then again, the RAS (Reagan Asslicking Society) has it's own version of history that differs from the rest of the world.
                To us, it is the BEAST.

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                • #83
                  Oh, you recall a Gorby quote? Then what does he think caused the collapse of the USSR, since Gorby did believe in communism (and still does to this day, IIRC).

                  Of course you've produced no evidence that Kennedy fought communism. Is the Missle Crisis the best you have?
                  “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                  - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by MrFun
                    Reagan is one of the worst in my view, due to his negligence in the early days of the AIDS crisis, when some researchers already had strong theories on how the disease was spreading.
                    How is AIDS Reagan's fault?
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                    • #85
                      AIDS wasn't anybody's fault. The Federal government's inept "response" to it was partly Reagan's fault.

                      -Arrian
                      grog want tank...Grog Want Tank... GROG WANT TANK!

                      The trick isn't to break some eggs to make an omelette, it's convincing the eggs to break themselves in order to aspire to omelettehood.

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                      • #86
                        Re: Your Favorite President

                        1790 - 1877... Jefferson. All Presidents have their faults, he was no different. But I like his positive elements.

                        1878 - 1945... FDR. If Wilson weren't such a damn racist, he would win this spot, but alas...

                        1946 - 2003... Clinton. Things just felt... better back when he was in charge. Honourable mention to Truman.

                        Both LBJ and Nixon did things I both greatly admire (civil rights, China) and despise (Viet Nam, Watergate)... but I don't actively love or hate either.

                        Overall: Eeeee... FDR. He was no saint, but he did good for his time. It would be Clinton, but he ordered bombings to distract from his 'personal' troubles. Not unprecedented, but still not cool.
                        "I wrote a song about dental floss but did anyone's teeth get cleaner?" -Frank Zappa
                        "A thing moderately good is not so good as it ought to be. Moderation in temper is always a virtue, but moderation in principle is always a vice."- Thomas Paine
                        "I'll let you be in my dream if I can be in yours." -Bob Dylan

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by DinoDoc
                          How is AIDS Reagan's fault?
                          There were scientists who, early on, established the strong theory on how AIDS was spreading. Too many people including those in the gay community, and including politicians like Ron refused to take any serious plan of action.
                          A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                          • #88
                            1790 - 1877.. Washington provided a good example. Each of these earlier presidents were good, in different areas and to different extents. Lincoln was a good one, of course.

                            1878 - 1945 .. Calvin Coolidge was a good president, Teddy also.

                            1946 - 2003... Ronald Reagan and Truman are my two favorite presidents.

                            Washington(with a lot of other very good presidents succeeding him)

                            Coolidge

                            Ronald Reagan/Truman

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                            • #89
                              Is the Missle Crisis the best you have?
                              Oh yeah, the closest the world came to nuclear annihilation... pfft you are right that is insignificant.


                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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                              • #90
                                Hit yourself harder, Sava . . . .

                                please?
                                A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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