Is Homosexuality a choice?

[MrFun]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
MrFun nailed the answer, from my point of view.

I thought the agreement between you and me, was that we are never suppose to agree.

[SlowwHand]

Yeah, but I give up.
I'm getting too easy to get along with in my advanced years.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
Yeah, but I give up.
I'm getting too easy to get along with in my advanced years.

Well you know in spite of the "krap" I give you sometimes, I like you here on Apolyton?

[SlowwHand]

[Japher]

aaahhhh, you two just had a moment

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Japher
aaahhhh, you two just had a moment

And then we forget all about it next time we discuss any issues of historiography and Civil War.

[SlowwHand]

I'm going to kick Japher's ass, I'll tell you what.






(says Sloww in his best Hank Hill impersonation)

[Japher]

Civil War: Is 'Gods and Generals' any good? If you've seen it of course...

As for the choice of homosexuality; I don't really care. I feel people sometimes can't help what they are and sometimes they can. Practicing homosexuality is obviously a choice, yet so is practicing anything. Is it genetic? I don't know. Probably just as genetic as someone being good at math or liking dogs more than cats. Maybe their is some social influences that it takes, maybe?

The one thing that makes me wonder is that in history it seems that there were societies were homosexuality was not as frowned upon. Almost all Romans, for example, were bi-sexual and kept lovers as well as a wife. Was this natural/genetic? If so then what changed some of us to be straight? Was it sociological? If so than what changed the attitude of the world, and what is changing it back again?

To me, I stopped caring sometime ago, but the question still haunts me. I think a better question would be; Is sexuality, in general, a choice? That way homosexuals are singled out as being the exception to the norm, as it seems the norm fluctuates...

[Agathon]

Again, does it really matter whether one's sexuality is due to nature or nurture?

What we have is a bunch of blokes who fancy blokes and the evidence that all the "reform poofs" campaigns have failed miserably. Those are the facts.

Even if homosexuality could be avoided by appropriate child rearing mechanisms, can someone offer me a good reason why we should care to do so? Gay people seem to like being gay, so what's the problem?

I have yet to see evidence beyond the fact that Boris is a subversive commie sympathiser and Fez being most likely Apolytoner to conduct a fascist purge, that homosexuality is a great danger to society and civilisation. In the absence of such evidence isn't homosexuality a non-issue?

[Japher]

I'm going to kick Japher's ass, I'll tell you what.

Please don't, I already have a headache, I couldn't handle another blow

[MrFun]

Originally posted by Agathon
Again, does it really matter whether one's sexuality is due to nature or nurture?

What we have is a bunch of blokes who fancy blokes and the evidence that all the "reform poofs" campaigns have failed miserably. Those are the facts.

Even if homosexuality could be avoided by appropriate child rearing mechanisms, can someone offer me a good reason why we should care to do so? Gay people seem to like being gay, so what's the problem?

I have yet to see evidence beyond the fact that Boris is a subversive commie sympathiser and Fez being most likely Apolytoner to conduct a fascist purge, that homosexuality is a great danger to society and civilisation. In the absence of such evidence isn't homosexuality a non-issue?

I agree for the most part. But there are serious problems and issues within gay society and these problems come from within the gay society, as well as from homophobia in the rest of society. None of these problems exist JUST BECAUSE some people are gay -- they are societal problems that can be resolved without the fantasy of changing people to become straight.

For instance, a gay couple raising a child of their own will experience many problems that straight parents do not experience, because of the toleration of homophobia in schools and communities. The problem is not with the stable, responsible gay couple.

Another example -- during the emergence of the AIDS epidemic, gay bathouse owners turned their heads the other way in the spirit of greed and calluous disregard to their patron's public health. They received information about how the disease was probably spreading early on, yet they refused to take any significant action. This is an example of a problem arising from within gay society.

Oh, and about Fez and Boris -- well, I think you might have to apologize to Boris for mentioning him in the same sentence as Fez.

[SlowwHand]

As soon as I finish reading "The Patriot", it's on to "Gods and Generals".

[Japher]

I was just going to rent the movie.

[MrFun]

Originally posted by SlowwHand
As soon as I finish reading "The Patriot", it's on to "Gods and Generals".

The Patriot was lame IMO.

Now Gods and Generals -- much better.

[Kuciwalker]

Originally posted by Agathon
Again, does it really matter whether one's sexuality is due to nature or nurture?

What we have is a bunch of blokes who fancy blokes and the evidence that all the "reform poofs" campaigns have failed miserably. Those are the facts.

Even if homosexuality could be avoided by appropriate child rearing mechanisms, can someone offer me a good reason why we should care to do so? Gay people seem to like being gay, so what's the problem?

I have yet to see evidence beyond the fact that Boris is a subversive commie sympathiser and Fez being most likely Apolytoner to conduct a fascist purge, that homosexuality is a great danger to society and civilisation. In the absence of such evidence isn't homosexuality a non-issue?

Wait, Agathon, aren't you a communist?