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This is very true. Given this, I'm guessing that Sten is closer to the truth than you are. Within 20 years, we are likely to have some very well attended matches--apparently comparable to Europe, and bigger than hockey. That said, I doubt it will dominate in 20 years.But it'll definetly catch on, especially with the changing demographic of America. The Latino immigrants will help the sport rise (MLS should have a soccer team in Texas, IMO).I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Well Sten says it'll take 20 years for it to be the #1 sport! I'm saying it'll take 20-50 years for it to reach and pass hockey's status.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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that's a god point imran. how widespread is local football in the US? over here every small town pretty much has a team. if you looked at the english attendance thing, it went to 7th level, which is regional leagues, i used to play for a team which would be in the 9th level. i take you don't have that number of local clubs over there?"The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de BottonComment
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Well, arguing in his corner is the fact that in many areas, football isn't that big of a sport in high schools. In some of these areas, soccer is bigger.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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how widespread is local football in the US?
Aside from children's leagues, not very. There is the A-League, which is a smaller professional league, but it is the same as MLS, in which it is in some urban areas. The tradition of a local team in every town died when baseball grew out of that tradition (that was the only American sport that was like that).“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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ah, that's a shame. i see why an english like system wouldn't work for you. still why can't you have MLS/A-league promotion/relegation?"The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de BottonComment
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Because all of the clubs are owned by the league.
This was a necessary ownership structure to get anything professional and credible up and running in the US.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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ah so the clubs didn't come about 'organically' then, ok now i understand.
"The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
"The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de BottonComment
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Because all of the clubs are owned by the league.
This was a necessary ownership structure to get anything professional and credible up and running in the US.
Actually the MLS model is now the model for all new startup leagues. It's proven to be the smartest thing to prevent a USFL-type meltdown (where the owners try to outspend the others in a new, unstable league leading to bankrupcy for most of them).“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
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Yeh, the fans density is so low that it's tough to have a "local" focal point--more just a name than anything. So, for instance, DC United could get away with "DC" in the name (geographically a speck of 550,000 people) rather than "Washington" (a metro area of 4 million). All other pro teams in DC use "Washington".ah so the clubs didn't come about 'organically' then, ok now i understand.
Further, it seems the only thing geography-wise that really has an impact to attendance is whether the area has a lot of hispanic immigrants. That's who fills DC United's seats.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Also, there was a failed pro mens soccer league in the US about 20 years ago, IIRC (indoor?). Can't remember the circumstances, but you can be sure that MLS studied the failure.Actually the MLS model is now the model for all new startup leagues. It's proven to be the smartest thing to prevent a USFL-type meltdown (where the owners try to outspend the others in a new, unstable league leading to bankrupcy for most of them).
Edit: On the womens side, the fan density seems greater. The stands aren't filled with immigrants, but rather those who are/were involved in local girls soccer. Girls soccer is pretty huge and doesn't have as much competition for the top atheletes (no comparable autumn sport).Last edited by DanS; August 2, 2003, 20:33.I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Here in Sweden club football is on the rise as for attendance and media attention, ten years ago it was more common amongst the people that weren't that dedicated to pay attention to foreign football leagues like the british. Nowadays it's more popular to watch local teams and support them. Here are som pictures of my teams most dedicated supporters, i'm in there somewhere. Our average attendance right now lies at around 17500 which is the second highest in the country.
It's candy. Surely there are more important things the NAACP could be boycotting. If the candy were shaped like a burning cross or a black man made of regular chocolate being dragged behind a truck made of white chocolate I could understand the outrage and would share it. - DrosedarsComment
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Where are the cheerleaders?
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891Comment
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Cheerleaders...
As if we needed something else than the football to watch, what a disgrace.It's candy. Surely there are more important things the NAACP could be boycotting. If the candy were shaped like a burning cross or a black man made of regular chocolate being dragged behind a truck made of white chocolate I could understand the outrage and would share it. - DrosedarsComment
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