McJobs Threatened; Collapse of Capitalism Imminent

[yavoon]

Originally posted by faded glory
Why? So in 5 years they leave to? You dont understand. EVERYTHING is leaving were losing about 5 manufacturing jobs to every 1 we get.

Oh wait. i left out a GE plant, General Chemical<--(my old work) , and a Kohler plant.

I think thats all.


Ya its difficult. The streets are getting really bad. Nobody can find a job. We have a 15% Unemployment here in Racine county. I guess it only gets worse.

hey look. ur area use to be a boon. now the jobs are gone, and ur area will shrink. I'm certainly not willing to give u MY MONEY to prop ur inefficient uneducated occupation up. so unless u can convince someone else to hand ur ass money. I suggest to the ppl who can't get the jobs that are left that they move.

[faded glory]

You know last year Wal-mart accounted for 1/8 of all imports into this country? (20 billion$)

We can all help bye boycotting them. Its all junk anyway.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by faded glory
You know last year Wal-mart accounted for 1/8 of all imports into this country? (20 billion$)

We can all help bye boycotting them. Its all junk anyway.

20 billion is 1/8th of all imports? that seems insanely low. where u get that number?

[faded glory]

"hey look. ur area use to be a boon. now the jobs are gone, and ur area will shrink. I'm certainly not willing to give u MY MONEY to prop ur inefficient uneducated occupation up. so unless u can convince someone else to hand ur ass money. I suggest to the ppl who can't get the jobs that are left that they move"


We have. The population have been slashed this last decade bye 10%. Also call us inefficient? Puhleasee. They didnt leave cause we were lazy, they left cause Racine workers need more than 20,000$ a year to live. And every single corporation I mentioned above made a decison they could halve or even 1/4 it going somewhere like Mexico.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by yavoon
what would u have the chinese do? its all well n good to demand that uneducated high paying jobs remain in the US. we should have probably also not roboticized. but I don't think its very practical.

if we shut the world out and kept our uneducated high paying jobs. and the rest of the world whirled itself in capitalism. we'd do nothing but fall behind.

The exploitation of cheap labor is not helping us. It's inefficient and it's harmfull to those who lose their jobs. Maybe an international minimum wage would help, but maybe not. I'm just pointing out the weaknesses of capitalism.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by faded glory
"hey look. ur area use to be a boon. now the jobs are gone, and ur area will shrink. I'm certainly not willing to give u MY MONEY to prop ur inefficient uneducated occupation up. so unless u can convince someone else to hand ur ass money. I suggest to the ppl who can't get the jobs that are left that they move"


We have. The population have been slashed this last decade bye 10%. Also call us inefficient? Puhleasee. They didnt leave cause we were lazy, they left cause Racine workers need more than 20,000$ a year to live. And every single corporation I mentioned above made a decison they could halve or even 1/4 it going somewhere like Mexico.

I never said u were lazy=D. I meant inefficient from a corporate perspective.

[faded glory]

Originally posted by yavoon


20 billion is 1/8th of all imports? that seems insanely low. where u get that number?

It isnt


I should of specified. FROM CHINA.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by yavoon
hey look. ur area use to be a boon. now the jobs are gone, and ur area will shrink. I'm certainly not willing to give u MY MONEY to prop ur inefficient uneducated occupation up. so unless u can convince someone else to hand ur ass money. I suggest to the ppl who can't get the jobs that are left that they move.

Why shouldn't everone pay for the cost of globalization? Everyone benefits. Actually the rich benefit more so they should pay more. The people who lose their jobs should be compensated by those who benefit.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Kidicious


The exploitation of cheap labor is not helping us. It's inefficient and it's harmfull to those who lose their jobs. Maybe an international minimum wage would help, but maybe not. I'm just pointing out the weeknesses of capitalism.

how would an emerging market get a job if they had NO comparitive advantages? in theory their only real advantage is their wage. everything else is a disadvantage.

like I said, shut america off from everyone and see how well we do.

[faded glory]

"I meant inefficient from a corporate perspective."

Well if paying us enough money to eat/live is "Inefficient". Then I guess we are inefficient. Cause the only thing those ****** want is a few more Zero's in there bank account.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Kidicious


Why shouldn't everone pay for the cost of globalization? Everyone benefits. Actually the rich benefit more so they should pay more. The people who lose their jobs should be compensated by those who benefit.

I don't see any inherent reason to compensate people just because their value has decreased. it happens to the rich too u know? should we compensate them?

[Velociryx]

Faded Glory: I'm not unsympathetic to the plight of your area....not in the least, however, I will say that if there is a large, untapped pool of skilled labor in your area that's not being utilitzed, there are only two solutions to be had:

1) Relocate. As you have indicated, this is already occuring (-10% to the population of the area over the past ten years)

2) Get yourself some venture capital and form a startup. The sweetest revenge against the corporate fat cats who left is to show them just how efficient you are! Compete head to head with the b@stards....can't beat them on wages (cos it's more expensive to live), but you can beat them on quality and service, so run with it!

-=Vel=-

[yavoon]

Originally posted by faded glory
"I meant inefficient from a corporate perspective."

Well if paying us enough money to eat/live is "Inefficient". Then I guess we are inefficient. Cause the only thing those ****** want is a few more Zero's in there bank account.

yah ur basically right. a corporation exists to make money. that is the fundamental perspective. it can do other things, but if it ever gives up that it will cease to be.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by yavoon


how would an emerging market get a job if they had NO comparitive advantages? in theory their only real advantage is their wage. everything else is a disadvantage.

like I said, shut america off from everyone and see how well we do.

If they don't have a comparative advantage then trade isn't beneficial. You can get a comparative advantage by finding a way to actually produce something with less labor. That is efficient. Just paying your workers less in not a true comparative advantage because you haven't increased world output at all. You have just moved production from one place to another.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Kidicious


If they don't have a comparative advantage then trade isn't beneficial. You can get a comparative advantage by finding a way to actually produce something with less labor. That is efficient. Just paying your workers less in not a true comparative advantage because you haven't increased world output at all. You have just moved production from one place to another.

well ur moving them from begging on the streets or subsistence farming into basically a part of the world economy. its like adding on cylinders that didn't exist before.