McJobs Threatened; Collapse of Capitalism Imminent

[yavoon]

Originally posted by faded glory
Outsourcing sucks too. ****in chinese. Or should I say, ****in corporate greed/Wal Mart.

umm what else do u expect emerging markets to do? just hand us natural resources like they use to?!? increasing levels of productivity will probably not lead to the end of capitalism. but it sure gives u socialists more room to play in(thank capitalism for that).

[faded glory]

Im not a Socialist. Im a protectionist. I say America for America first. None of this Slave Labor bull**** oversea's slowly strangling the middle-class.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by faded glory
Im not a Socialist. Im a protectionist. I say America for America first. None of this Slave Labor bull**** oversea's slowly strangling the middle-class.

its not slave labor. if the workers weren't cheaper the corporations wouldn't move. and new markets wouldn't emerge.

stagnating in industrialization isn't going to help us.

[faded glory]

its not slave labor. if the workers weren't cheaper the corporations wouldn't move. and new markets wouldn't emerge. "


Excuse me? It isnt Slave labor? Most nike shoe factory makers in asia dont make 1$ a day. Im sorry bro. I dont see the saving being passed down on a 160$ pair of Jordan's. Tell me Capitalism works in its current form. Ill give you yet more examples why not.


"stagnating in industrialization isn't going to help us"

I never said that. I never got a chance to tell you my thoughts. I totally believe we should put a 2-6 year moratorium on Imports that meet a certain criteria (Which could be Labor, Cost to make, Where they were made,etc) and allow time for Domestic makers of goods to get there breath.

[faded glory]

We should have a quota % each year (% of the imports) on which country we import from. Giving higher proirity to nations like Canada and Europe instead of China and singapore. Trust me, if the imports stop, the outsourcers will come back or go out of business if we deny the bulk of there products from being shipped in. If its the latter, others will emerge and be in a stable/fair enviroment to devolop. Unlike now.

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Kropotkin

I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing here as I've never heard about the Solow principle.

We might be. I'm talking about the principle that productivity gains slow with development. It's probably got another name.

[faded glory]

Basically. I live in the "Rust Belt". (Southeast Wisconsin). Ive watched Case tractor factory go to mexico, Ive watched Miller light get bought out (and prepping to leave) Ive watched 2 Auto plants (Mercury, Ford) leave. I saw this year 2 local airlines go bankrupt, an airline assembly plant leave. 2 Johnson & Johnson factories not built here (instead going to Canada). Oh did I mention Twin Disc? Premdoor? Honda motor plant? Harley? The BIC lighter plant?They also left. All this in the last 4 years. Our city is so scarred and bankrupt from these guys leaving. There factories have been leveled and replaced with a Shopko, Menards, Super-Walmart all springing up like weeds and robbing people blind of economy and quality. And so far only 1 factory came here this year. A bombardier plant that closed in france and came here.


edit so we can replace the 15,000 union jobs from the Racine county area that were lost (people used to come from all over) with the great, maybe 1,000 minimum wage we gained!

[yavoon]

Originally posted by faded glory
Basically. I live in the "Rust Belt". (Southeast Wisconsin). Ive watched Case tractor factory go to mexico, Ive watched Miller light get bought out (and prepping to leave) Ive watched 2 Auto plants (Mercury, Ford) leave. I saw this year 2 local airlines go bankrupt, an airline assembly plant leave. 2 Johnson & Johnson factories not built here (instead going to Canada). Oh did I mention Twin Disc? Premdoor? Honda motor plant? Harley? The BIC lighter plant?They also left. All this in the last 4 years. Our city is so scarred and bankrupt from these guys leaving. There factories have been leveled and replaced with a Shopko, Menards, Super-Walmart all springing up like weeds and robbing people blind of economy and quality. And so far only 1 factory came here this year. A bombardier plant that closed in france and came here.

kikass, steal from the french! yes I imagine living in the rustbelt would make life ruff. but u don't realize that ppl moved to that area because thats where the jobs were. when the jobs leave, the ppl should file out too! if u just stay in a place w/ no jobs.....

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by Smiley
That is why demographic problems never get addressed until its too late to do something about it. For example, Mainland China is still continuing with its one-child policy even though they're starting to have a huge workforce shortage and a massive retired population.

We aren't talking about demographic problems. Or course that is a long run problem. Strawman.

[faded glory]

Im not going to mexico to get paid in sea-shells. What about you, buddy? Cause thats were everything is going.

I have 2 college associates degree's and going for a third. Im really getting fed up with these career changes im having to make. First it was management, then Printing, now technology....sigh

[yavoon]

Originally posted by faded glory
Im not going to mexico to get paid in sea-shells. What about you, buddy? Cause thats were everything is going.

haha I did mean w/in the US. =D

[Kidlicious]

Originally posted by yavoon


kikass, steal from the french! yes I imagine living in the rustbelt would make life ruff. but u don't realize that ppl moved to that area because thats where the jobs were. when the jobs leave, the ppl should file out too! if u just stay in a place w/ no jobs.....

They shouldn't have to move. That is an inefficiency in itself. Greater exploitation is the only reason for the lose in jobs. That's no reason to uproot people who are doing better work than the Chinese can in the first place.

[yavoon]

Originally posted by Kidicious


They shouldn't have to move. That is an inefficiency in itself. Greater exploitation is the only reason for the lose in jobs. That's no reason to uproot people who are doing better work than the Chinese can in the first place.

what would u have the chinese do? its all well n good to demand that uneducated high paying jobs remain in the US. we should have probably also not roboticized. but I don't think its very practical.

if we shut the world out and kept our uneducated high paying jobs. and the rest of the world whirled itself in capitalism. we'd do nothing but fall behind.

[Odin]

Capitalism will fall when everybody uses machines as thier slaves.

[faded glory]

Why? So in 5 years they leave to? You dont understand. EVERYTHING is leaving were losing about 5 manufacturing jobs to every 1 we get.

Oh wait. i left out a GE plant, General Chemical<--(my old work) , and a Kohler plant.

I think thats all.


Ya its difficult. The streets are getting really bad. Nobody can find a job. We have a 15% Unemployment here in Racine county. I guess it only gets worse.